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[UPDATED] Issues With Official D&D 5E Spell Cards?

[UPDATED with info from GF9] Have you had any trouble getting the newly updated D&D 5th Edition spell cards from Gale Force 9? According to at least one customer, there's a little bit of a snafu. EN World member trystero ordered some cards requesting that the order be held until the new, updated cards were available, but was sent the old version instead. He was advised to contact WotC directly when he queried this. Trystero says that "I e-mailed them about my order, placed 8 February, and asked them to hold it until they could fulfill with the revised printings, and they wrote back to say that the updated decks were expected in "late March or early April", and that my order would ship then. But the next day, they sent me a copy of the original, uncorrected Arcane deck. I wrote back to say that it wasn't what I'd ordered, and asked how I could return it."

[UPDATED with info from GF9] Have you had any trouble getting the newly updated D&D 5th Edition spell cards from Gale Force 9? According to at least one customer, there's a little bit of a snafu. EN World member trystero ordered some cards requesting that the order be held until the new, updated cards were available, but was sent the old version instead. He was advised to contact WotC directly when he queried this. Trystero says that "I e-mailed them about my order, placed 8 February, and asked them to hold it until they could fulfill with the revised printings, and they wrote back to say that the updated decks were expected in "late March or early April", and that my order would ship then. But the next day, they sent me a copy of the original, uncorrected Arcane deck. I wrote back to say that it wasn't what I'd ordered, and asked how I could return it."

Gale Force 9 is the licensed producer of the spell cards and sells them through its online store, Flames of War. I'm not 100% clear where Battlefront fits in there - all the company addresses mention it, so I assume it's a parent company or somesuch. Perhaps somebody in the comments can clarify!

His email exchange with Battlefront went as follows:

Battlefront Customer Service: Unfortunately there is nothing in place to replace the original card sets. This was an error caused by Wizard of the Coast sending the wrong files to be printed. Should you need to seek compensation may I suggest contacting their customer service department?

Trystero: I'm very confused by this reply: I understand that the corrected printings aren't available yet, and at this point I just want to return the first-printing box which you shipped me (despite my having e-mailed twice to ask for my order to be held until new printings are available). How should I return this unwanted item?

Battlefront Customer Service: We are not accepting returns or exchanges for these cards. Please direct any further questions to Wizards of the Coast. This error is on their side.


Of course, mistakes happen, and that's OK. They can be resolved, and I'm sure trystero will get his issue fixed in no time. But it's curious that GF9 is directing people towards WotC on the matter rather than dealing with it themselves. I have no insight into any arrangements between the two companies, other than that GF9's products are official, licensed D&D products.

I think personally I'll hold off until the end of April or so before ordering any of the newly updated cards, just in case. I'm sure it'll sort itself out!

UPDATE -- John-Paul Brisigotti from Battlefront has posted a reply.

Let me first begin by apologising for this confusion. The comments from our customer service team are incorrect and despite initiative being used to try and give an answer, without management oversight this person has made this unclear when the goal is always to do the opposite. This is a GF9 product and the issue of the missing cards is ours to resolve and has nothing to do with WOTC.

When these decks were being finalised WOTC were in the final stages of completing almost two years of work on 5th Ed and trying to get the Players Handbook to the printers. We were also trying to get our decks completed and despite months of back and forth we still missed a single card out of the Arcane and Paladin deck from spells that made it into the book at the last round of edits. At the time we discussed how to try and get these missing cards out to the world but the practicality of doing so was unrealistic so knowing we had more specialist and archetype decks to release we thought that was our best chance to resolve this issue.

In April a new deck of Elemental spells that comes with the Princes of the Apocalypse module will be released and the following month some Archetype decks for the classes. In both sets we will add the two cards to the decks so that everybody who is missing them has multiple chances of getting the missing cards. This plan was to be announced as part of this Fridays web update so for more details visit www.gf9-dnd.com this weekend.

This entire issue is one of poor communication on our part and that is never a helpful way to resolve any problem. The GF9 name has stood for high quality D&D product for over five years now and given the overwhelmingly positive response we have had from you on the new 5th ed product the last thing we want to do is not resolve these issues. Thank you for your understanding.

John-Paul Brisigotti
CEO Battlefront Group

 

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Wolfskin

Explorer
I've ran into the "one card missing" issue with AEG in the past and, as the PR person from GF9 says, it's impossible to ship it for free to everyone in the world that may have bought the arcane sets. A much better approach would be including the missing cards for free in a forthcoming product as mentioned, IMO.

I'll be definitely buying all of the spellbook card decks in the future, but only when I'm 100% sure I'm getting an updated version.
 

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linkbox

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I'm going to disagree. Morrus wrote his post at 8:25 AM. The company responds by 4:43 PM the same day. They provide a sound response.

While the company can improve (congratulations to anyone working for/with a perfect company, I haven't met one yet), I'm not sure what else we should really expect. This isn't some multi-billion-dollar company (and, guess what, those mess up orders too - I work with many such companies).

Our willingness to rage without care is what creates this perception that GF9 needs a PR outfit. While I completely understand someone being disappointed with the issues reported here, the extent of the vitriol and the conclusions people jumped to were on us, not on GF9. GF9 offers great products. Our willingness to jump to conclusions and paint them as some horrible monster can be disastrous to them and in turn to our hobby. We should own our behavior and what it creates. We can, and should, improve as an audience, customers, and gamers.

Sure, that sounds nice and good but it has been 1 week since I emailed their customer service and still no cigar so as it pertains to me they have been very late in their reply. The fact that I had to come to an unrelated forum to complain to get answers shows that there is certainly some issues with their customer service department. Also, after reading the whole Dust kickstarter issue I am starting to get the picture that there are other issues at BF besides the ones we have talked about here but we all draw different conclusions so your mileage may vary on that one.

The small company claim is 100% bogus too; I have been a LONG time customer of fangamer which is a shop run by 4-5 people max and once they replaced every single faulty book in one run they did because they had a missing page. Let me reiterate this here: I mailed them my book and they physically added the missing page and shipped it back at 0 extra cost for every book in the first batch they did. Sure they probably lost 100% of the money spent on that batch but I loved them for it and I continue to be an avid fan of their store and have since bought several $$$ worth of merch from them since. Had BF done the same I would now own all of the decks :)

I guess what I am trying to say is that when I give someone my money I expect some level of service in return so when I don't get that I take my money elsewhere. If your expectations are different then good for you! I hope I could be the same and not care 2 bits :)

Anyways I'm out! I have already spent way more time complaining about this than the cards are worth hahaha

Good luck everyone who has had issues! As for me index card here I come!
 

Alphastream

Adventurer
I guess what I am trying to say is that when I give someone my money I expect some level of service in return so when I don't get that I take my money elsewhere. If your expectations are different then good for you! I hope I could be the same and not care 2 bits :)

I absolutely hear you. I've had some nightmares from companies. A prominent second-tier RPG company took months to resolve my special version book I ordered. But, I know that isn't at all normal for them. And that's what I'm really speaking to. The number of problems is really low. The vast majority of times we will get great products and adequate service when there is a problem. But, there will be some bad times every now and then. Crazy reactions (such as calling for a boycot of asking WotC to sever ties with GF9) are destrutive reactions that hurt our hobby. We can keep reality in our perspective and react in ways that help our hobby be awesome. It could have been like this:

"Hey, I had this problem. I'm posting here in hopes that it can be resolved."

"Yeah, that sound bad. Probably an exception. But, here are some helpful calm thoughts."

"I'm GF9, thanks to all of you for being cool about this. This was our bad. This is what happened. Fix on the way."

"Awesome!"

I'm pretty sure we could have had the same outcome, maybe even a better one, without the rage. The rage can also end up causing problems. Maybe WotC did get involved, hurting the relationship. Maybe someone would have been fired, instead of given a chance to correct the issue and learn from the mistake. Maybe other companies would see how the hobby reacts and decide licensing to WotC is too risky because fans are too fickle. Our hobby can be healthier.
 




+15 years of awesome products and one bad experience from one bad person destroys all that good will? Haters will hate.
I'm a firm believer in no tolerance for bad customer service. Also it wasn't just one incident. Lastly buying a company does not purchase the goodwill the original company developed.

Now if the CEO's message had included a statement that the person no longer worked for the company, I might believe that CS rep's response was never vetted by the company. No CS rep worth keeping tells a customer no unless that "no" was already approved by the company.
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I'm a firm believer in no tolerance for bad customer service. Also it wasn't just one incident. Lastly buying a company does not purchase the goodwill the original company developed.

Now if the CEO's message had included a statement that the person no longer worked for the company, I might believe that CS rep's response was never vetted by the company.

It's not worth ruining somebody's life over a D&D card. An apology and fixing it is more than enough. No need to be vindictive; there's no value in vengeance.
 



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