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<blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 882699" data-attributes="member: 1194"><p>well, it's disappointing to see people get personal, and heighten problems instead of minimizing them, but if Tokiwong hasn't posted by now, I'd have to assume that he's answered my questions by his ignoring them.</p><p></p><p>To DM a bunch of intelligent, direct players, any DM that is looking to have fun with a Sabbat game would have to have better communication and true desire to DM than Tokiwong apparently did.</p><p>It's a good thing that this happened before too many people dedicated too much time to their characters, or more importantly, to a setting that seems to have questionable merit to some players.</p><p></p><p>Also, what happened in the Sabbat game should not have affected the Camarilla game, in my opinion, but I adopted a 'live and let live' policy early on - we are all different people, and have vastly different gaming and personality styles.</p><p></p><p>With Catulle leading that game (a strong DM, dedicated to see an online game thru), the only way for the Camarilla game to not continue to be a stellar example of what can be done with roleplaying online is if the players get needlessly bent out of shape over stuff that is bound to come up in the course of a Chronicle.</p><p></p><p>I have seen many online games flounder due to the incomplete dedication of the DM on these boards in my time here.</p><p>Trust me - if Tokiwong was on the fence about playing, it's best to stop it early, which was the reason for my direct (not IMO 'harsh') questioning of hihs background experience, since I didnt know him and the only way to assess his level of competence and dedication was to... *gasp* ask him.</p><p></p><p>And if Tokiwong was in it for the long haul, a player asking a few questions, and requesting to include things, shouldn't havemade him blink twice.</p><p></p><p>If we're seriously trying to play a Sabbat game, a f-*ing SABBAT game, and it falls apart because I asked the DM some questions about his setting, and Kitana viewed the general comments as being 'American elitist" (edit: clarification - I thought her discussion was a great example of exchanging viewpoints, even tho I didn't personally agree with her viewpoints), do you all think there was much chance of success with the game? </p><p></p><p>Seriously.</p><p></p><p>We're adults, right?</p><p>Communication is our medium of choice here, in an online forum, right?</p><p>Why would communicating concerns (that were shared by other players) be something that would de-rail a solid game?</p><p></p><p>I suggest we still keep our eyes open for a Storyteller that has the cahones to DM a group of adults online, and deal with the adult subject matter that a Sabbat game would inevitably entail.</p><p>That is a not-easy couple of characteristics to find in a DM, but if we're lucky enough to find one (thank god Catulle flew in out of nowhere in the Cammy game), I'd be up for still trying a Sabbat game, although I'd mainly be playing for the combat, and playing with Tory.</p><p></p><p>After thinking about the character sketch I thought up, I realize he's actually a better man than Nikolai is, currently, and would probably be killed eventually by the degenerates, but that'd be fun to play...</p><p></p><p>well, those are my 3 cents on the subject of what happened, and i don't think i should have to, but I will clarify that I am not personally affected by what happened, and what I say or ask is not intended with any emotional subtext, or personal insinuations, or whatnot.</p><p>Never jump to conclusions about what I post, and if you have any concerns or questions about the way my words are/were intended, than you can ask about them, similar to how Kitana did here (unfortunately, these boards are ridiculous about anything remotely political - kind of ironic to be concerned about even as impersonal and broad-brush political discussion as me and Kitana just touched upon, yet we were thinking of playing murderers, monsters, and worse? That is actually one of the more ironic and laughable situations I've seen on the boards...)</p><p></p><p>I'll edit anything out of this post if anyone has a problem with it - these're really just impersonal observations/impressions...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reapersaurus, post: 882699, member: 1194"] well, it's disappointing to see people get personal, and heighten problems instead of minimizing them, but if Tokiwong hasn't posted by now, I'd have to assume that he's answered my questions by his ignoring them. To DM a bunch of intelligent, direct players, any DM that is looking to have fun with a Sabbat game would have to have better communication and true desire to DM than Tokiwong apparently did. It's a good thing that this happened before too many people dedicated too much time to their characters, or more importantly, to a setting that seems to have questionable merit to some players. Also, what happened in the Sabbat game should not have affected the Camarilla game, in my opinion, but I adopted a 'live and let live' policy early on - we are all different people, and have vastly different gaming and personality styles. With Catulle leading that game (a strong DM, dedicated to see an online game thru), the only way for the Camarilla game to not continue to be a stellar example of what can be done with roleplaying online is if the players get needlessly bent out of shape over stuff that is bound to come up in the course of a Chronicle. I have seen many online games flounder due to the incomplete dedication of the DM on these boards in my time here. Trust me - if Tokiwong was on the fence about playing, it's best to stop it early, which was the reason for my direct (not IMO 'harsh') questioning of hihs background experience, since I didnt know him and the only way to assess his level of competence and dedication was to... *gasp* ask him. And if Tokiwong was in it for the long haul, a player asking a few questions, and requesting to include things, shouldn't havemade him blink twice. If we're seriously trying to play a Sabbat game, a f-*ing SABBAT game, and it falls apart because I asked the DM some questions about his setting, and Kitana viewed the general comments as being 'American elitist" (edit: clarification - I thought her discussion was a great example of exchanging viewpoints, even tho I didn't personally agree with her viewpoints), do you all think there was much chance of success with the game? Seriously. We're adults, right? Communication is our medium of choice here, in an online forum, right? Why would communicating concerns (that were shared by other players) be something that would de-rail a solid game? I suggest we still keep our eyes open for a Storyteller that has the cahones to DM a group of adults online, and deal with the adult subject matter that a Sabbat game would inevitably entail. That is a not-easy couple of characteristics to find in a DM, but if we're lucky enough to find one (thank god Catulle flew in out of nowhere in the Cammy game), I'd be up for still trying a Sabbat game, although I'd mainly be playing for the combat, and playing with Tory. After thinking about the character sketch I thought up, I realize he's actually a better man than Nikolai is, currently, and would probably be killed eventually by the degenerates, but that'd be fun to play... well, those are my 3 cents on the subject of what happened, and i don't think i should have to, but I will clarify that I am not personally affected by what happened, and what I say or ask is not intended with any emotional subtext, or personal insinuations, or whatnot. Never jump to conclusions about what I post, and if you have any concerns or questions about the way my words are/were intended, than you can ask about them, similar to how Kitana did here (unfortunately, these boards are ridiculous about anything remotely political - kind of ironic to be concerned about even as impersonal and broad-brush political discussion as me and Kitana just touched upon, yet we were thinking of playing murderers, monsters, and worse? That is actually one of the more ironic and laughable situations I've seen on the boards...) I'll edit anything out of this post if anyone has a problem with it - these're really just impersonal observations/impressions... [/QUOTE]
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