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Vecna v Acererak v Larloch? Who's The Most Powerful Lich?

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

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"Heh. I've been asked this many times before, and although part of me wonders what's the point of all "who's more powerful?" questions, the answer is: it depends. In terms of raw personal BATTLE power, the answer is likely Vecna. Though so much of his power is vested in his Hand and his Eye that unless they can all be in one place, Larloch might pack more punch. Not that he would fight toe-to-toe in battle, because that isn't Larloch's way; he views liches who do that as idiot failures. Larloch's way is to manipulate from behind the scenes to lead anyone seeking him, or trying to cross him, astray, so they never come into contact with him. If need be, he'd hurl his many, many servitor liches at them, most of whom are personally more powerful than Acererak.

Larloch and Vecna both have a wider reach and influence on the worlds around them than Acererak, so if you're measuring that way, Acererak is left behind. But when it comes to measuring Larloch and Vecna against each other in terms of influence, it's a matter of style: Vecna has the greater fear-reputation and is "noisier," and Larloch is more the master manipulator, who works unseen. As in, you may never know how much he's affected you. I can only go by what Elminster (and on rare occasions Storm, or Laeral, or Volo[!]) tell me of the Realms, and the three Chosen of Mystra all think Larloch (even wherever he is now, bested by the Srinshee) is the greater threat. As El put it, "Vecna is a bogeyman, and his relics do harm. Larloch undresses thee and ye never even know it." Larloch plays the longer game, and is more patient and empathic and has a greater understanding of the multiverse, whereas Vecna is more self-centered. I trust El's judgment, because I must; without it, none of us know ANYTHING about the Realms.

Acererak is feared throughout the multiverse because he's an almost-always-active destructive force. However, that's a one-trick pony. "Hah! I shall destroy you TWICE!!!" ;}"
 

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Arnwolf666

Adventurer
Becoming a god would make Larloch too weak. He would have to work to keep worshippers happy. Not being a god be can manipulate from a distance, in the shadows, and unknown to the worlds he dominates.
 

D1Tremere

Adventurer
Every Gamer Goes (ahem): Vecna is the most powerful, awesomest, best known Lich ever; even parts of Vecna are all-powerful artifacts.

Ed Greenwood: Well, yeah, but Larloch is more powerful. Elminster told me so.

EGG: Um, what do you mean. No one has even heard of Larloch.

Greenwood: Exactly! He is so stupendously powerful and cunning that no one has ever heard of him. In fact, evry terrible evil thing that has ever succeeded has been because of him, because, um, yeah, Elminster told me so!

EGG: Wait a minute- isn't that convenient? I mean, it's just some name taking credit for bad stuff when it succeeds, and because no one cares about him, never having to actually, you know, do anything? What's the difference between COMPLETE SUBTLETY and DOING NOTHING EVER?

Greenwood: Power and awesomeness?

EGG: Yeah, hold my beer.

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." - God Entity Futurama

Larloch is one of the oldest and most powerful magic users in the FRs (A world much more magic heavy than Greyhawk). He created an army of over 200 liches who almost managed to corrupt the weave and wipe out the knights of Myth Drannor. He survived the fall of Netheril and the spellplague. He created a new class of magic items, along with many unique artifacts and spells. He also rules a city of undead. Best of all, every time gods and heroes try to come down on him for the actions of his creations he tells them all off because all he did was give his creations free will.

Vecna couldn't even control his own vampire stooge, who's artifact sword is arguably more powerful than Vecna's hand and eye (though to be fair Vecna did create it). He was destroyed on multiple occasions, and bested by adventurer's even after becoming a greater god. His cult seems to be his only real source of power, as he has so many powerful enemies who openly oppose him that he can't sneeze without catching a beatdown. Bottom line, being a god is not all it is cracked up to be, and even a god who hails from from Greyhawk pales in comparison to a Netherese Lichking.
 




grimslade

Krampus ate my d20s
Larloch is a Mary Sue, a foil for Greenwood's other Mary Sue, Elminster. He is the bogeyman to make Elminster's deeds seem greater.
Vecna is the ruler of the Spider Throne, the Whispered One, Master of Secrets and Lies. To whisper his name is to provoke his notice. The entirety of the multiverse is impacted by his designs. Why is this even a conversation?
 

D1Tremere

Adventurer
Larloch is a Mary Sue, a foil for Greenwood's other Mary Sue, Elminster. He is the bogeyman to make Elminster's deeds seem greater.
Vecna is the ruler of the Spider Throne, the Whispered One, Master of Secrets and Lies. To whisper his name is to provoke his notice. The entirety of the multiverse is impacted by his designs. Why is this even a conversation?

Those are fancy titles, but what has he done? He was a major god for a hot minute before getting kicked out of Sigil by no one worth mentioning. Got owned by his own creations on multiple occasions. He was locked up in Ravenloft for a good while.
I hate to go there, but Vecna is basically Anakin Skywalker. He becomes bitter and twisted because his mother is killed and his right hand man cuts off a bunch of his body parts. He then gets defeated by a bunch of rag tag newcomers just as he is about to achieve true power.
 

I'm a fan of Acererak. Mainly just because hes the one I know most about. That and Tomb of Annihilation is an awesome adventure. I mean he created or found a device to cause permadeath. Plus the DMG cover art is the best out of the core books.
 

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