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Weapon Masteries too Ubiquitous? New Fighter ability suggestion.
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9063761" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I will disagree with you that Fighter's are superior in sustained damage in Tier 3. </p><p></p><p>At 11th level a sword and board fighter will get 3d8+modsx3, meanwhile a Paladin with Radiant Strikes/Improved Divine Smite will get 4d8+modsx2. </p><p></p><p>Now, a Fighter's Nova can surpass a paladin, easily, but a Fighter can only Nova once. A paladin can use Smites multiple times per day. So, I think in terms of damage, the Paladin is also an S. </p><p></p><p>I also think Rangers are easily an A until 11th level. Your basic Hunter Ranger is going to be dealing 2d8+1d8+2d6+modx2 in a fairly sustained manner by level 5, and that is VERY good damage. Maybe better than the fighter and Paladin. Even at level 11 I'd argue it isn't B tier damage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do often wonder if the Ranger is not as weak as people might remember. Even back in 2014, it was often the case that the Ranger's damage was fine, but the Beastmaster was a mess. It was often the ranger's utility in exploration which caused the frustrations they felt.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can agree with that, though I often feel like Barbarian damage is weaker than it should be without the right subclass. Rage Bonus damage is just the dueling fighting style, and they don't actually get anything else base-line to increase their damage. Reckless Attack is good for accuracy, but the reason it rocketed up their damage was actually just because of the GWM feat, not the Barbarian class</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9063761, member: 6801228"] I will disagree with you that Fighter's are superior in sustained damage in Tier 3. At 11th level a sword and board fighter will get 3d8+modsx3, meanwhile a Paladin with Radiant Strikes/Improved Divine Smite will get 4d8+modsx2. Now, a Fighter's Nova can surpass a paladin, easily, but a Fighter can only Nova once. A paladin can use Smites multiple times per day. So, I think in terms of damage, the Paladin is also an S. I also think Rangers are easily an A until 11th level. Your basic Hunter Ranger is going to be dealing 2d8+1d8+2d6+modx2 in a fairly sustained manner by level 5, and that is VERY good damage. Maybe better than the fighter and Paladin. Even at level 11 I'd argue it isn't B tier damage. I do often wonder if the Ranger is not as weak as people might remember. Even back in 2014, it was often the case that the Ranger's damage was fine, but the Beastmaster was a mess. It was often the ranger's utility in exploration which caused the frustrations they felt. I can agree with that, though I often feel like Barbarian damage is weaker than it should be without the right subclass. Rage Bonus damage is just the dueling fighting style, and they don't actually get anything else base-line to increase their damage. Reckless Attack is good for accuracy, but the reason it rocketed up their damage was actually just because of the GWM feat, not the Barbarian class [/QUOTE]
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