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We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Libramarian

Adventurer
Can't see the last page of posts for some reason...

Why are you so dismissive?

I mean, really -- if you think this is beneath your "give a damn" threshold, why bother to comment, if not to signal that you hold the entire topic in derision?
That wasn't my only comment in the thread -- remember earlier I said your idea of a zero discretion harassment policy was dumb and you appear to have a superiority complex over other gamers.

I'm not dismissive of the harassment of gamers who are women. I just want to take a solution focused approach. I'm tired of the self-castigation and politicizing.

I mean we're talking about harassment here! This shouldn't be a culture war battleground.

I'd like to read an article about venue security by [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION], since he actually knows what he's talking about.
 

GMSkarka

Explorer
That wasn't my only comment in the thread -- remember earlier I said your idea of a zero discretion harassment policy was dumb and you appear to have a superiority complex over other gamers.

Yeah, I saw it, with its bizarre statement about nightclubs, which indicated that you've never actually been to one. (Here's a hint -- the sort of harassment we're talking about? Happens there, too, even with policies that you claim "embarrass" what you referred to as ugly/sketchy men at the door.)

Every comment you've made in this thread is dismissive -- bemoaning actual solutions as "self-castigation and politicizing." That's not getting into your weird status obsession about "superiority complexes" and the poor, downtrodden "creepy loser" demographic.

We get it. You obviously consider yourself part of the socially-awkward, potentially-unwittingly-creepy group. Easily solution to that, too: Grow the hell up, and learn how to act in public. The geek community's days as a refuge from the obligation of having to learn normal adult socialization is over.
 
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Obryn

Hero
Harassment is totally not cool man!
It's weird how much cooler this thread would have been if you'd led with that!

1) In case the person making the claim has an ulterior motive, like Emily Garland (author of article in the OP). She has a vendetta against Wyrd Miniatures. I know you consider it gauche to actually read up on something before forming an opinion, so you'll have to trust me on this. She attacks Wyrd in her blog post. She includes their phone number and asks people to call and complain to them.
I read it, too?

2) These claims themselves turn women away from the hobby! [MENTION=82779]MechaPilot[/MENTION] mentioned upthread that she thinks she would enjoy gaming at a con but doesn't want to go because of what she's heard about them. That sucks to the extent that she's been mislead.
Oh goodness. So by warning people they may be going into an unsafe space, you're turning them away? I suppose that's true, much in the same way that a "WARNING HIGH VOLTAGE" sign turns people away from gently caressing electrical transformers.

You're turning the warning into the problem, instead of acknowledging the problem is the problem.

The agenda of removing sexist content from the game...
Is that the endgame?

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Also, since I saw it mentioned, if there's a group of guys or gals who want to have a guys' or gals' night, that's fine. People have total liberty over the people they game with or invite into their homes. That's a mutant topic, though, that ultimately has little to do with the public spaces we're talking about here.
 

I mean we're talking about harassment here! This shouldn't be a culture war battleground.

I hate to break it to people in this thread, but any "culture war" has been fought out and is over. D&D talks openly about inclusiveness in the book. Pathfinder has iconics that are transgender. The world has moved on from the attitudes of the past and is firmly in the 21st century. The genie is out of the bottle, and no matter how many "men" in this thread might want it to be otherwise, and there is no dragging it back in.
 

Elf Witch

First Post
That is reasonable, but that is not some people are pushing for; they are pushing for a policy that the accused is thrown out, and are actually saying that it shouldn't matter whether or not the accusation is true.

I think you are misunderstanding what people are trying to say here. I don't think anyone wants to see innocent people punished. And it is not happening if it was it would be all over the internet. Like Isaid I know people who run Worldcons and know they don't want to punish people with draconian measures what they want is to make sure everyone is having a safe and good time. And they do have a policy of kicking out harassers but it is up to the con committee to make that final judgement. It has been my understanding that when it has been used it has been used on people caught stealing and openly harassing other con goers.
 


Arnwolf

First Post
What's wrong with a "boys only club", there are plenty of "girls only clubs", and the "girls only clubs" are growing.
 

MechaPilot

Explorer
Oh goodness. So by warning people they may be going into an unsafe space, you're turning them away? I suppose that's true, much in the same way that a "WARNING HIGH VOLTAGE" sign turns people away from gently caressing electrical transformers.

You're turning the warning into the problem, instead of acknowledging the problem is the problem.

Yeah, I sort of missed that when I constructed my reply. The claims/warnings are definitely not the problem. The warnings simply allow people to make educated choices.
 

AWizardInDallas

First Post
What's wrong with a "boys only club", there are plenty of "girls only clubs", and the "girls only clubs" are growing.
Nothing at all. However, game systems are starting to insist that we adopt all alterative lifestyles when they have no right or reason to do except pandering to sell more units. I get to decide that, not some next generation nob with a social justice agenda.

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