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We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Taneras

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GMforPowergamers said:
Gen Con Attendance 61,423 in 2015 if 8% were assaulted that is 5,000 people...(4,914.8) what can we do to bring that down to a double digit number this year and a 0 next...

Keep in mind that 8% figure came from a poll which had around 60% female response. I doubt Gen Con's 61,500 attendance was ~37,000. The high number of female respondents surely skewed the percentages.

Not trying to diminish, just trying to be accurate. Still, even assuming a 1% (8 times lower) still lands you in the hundreds. So the point is still easily made. I just don't want to over inflate the issue and scare people off. 5k sexual assaults out of 62k is insane.
 

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I'd like to thank you for continuing to bring this up. In a thread full of distractions, that's a welcome signpost back to a worthwhile discussion.
I was one of the side line talk about guys people but point blank Umbria opened my eyes pretty wide with the 8% number from a similar con...even if we are twice as good and it's ONLY 4% that is still 2500 assaults. That can not be allowed to contnue
 


MechaPilot

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I was one of the side line talk about guys people but point blank Umbria opened my eyes pretty wide with the 8% number from a similar con...even if we are twice as good and it's ONLY 4% that is still 2500 assaults. That can not be allowed to contnue

Well then I'm even more glad that Umbran did that, but I'm also glad that you were willing to have an open mind and not simply dismiss what he posted.
 

billd91

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harassment is the least of our concern... 8% of con goers are physically and or sexuall assaulted... not hurt feelings but rape... this is why I suggested us here at enworld start some kind of movement to add private security, maybe have a kickstarter or something.

Harassment is absolutely not the least of our concerns. It may be a lesser problem than assault but it's part of the spectrum of how women are treated by men who are idiots and have problems behaving like they belong in public. I doubt there are many gropers and attackers who didn't start smaller with off-color comments and harassment before escalating to physical behavior.
 

HardcoreDandDGirl

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This is what bothers me is the fact as women we are used to dealing with this because it happens all the time. I know and many of my friends categorize crap like this as well he only said one thing and when I moved away he didn't follow me so it is okay I guess at least he didn't keep it up or escalate it.

it's sad but true... I have had guys (friends I trust) look at me like I just grew a second head because I said I 'only' X Y or Z... I shouldn't have to 'only put up with' but I grew up into video games, comic books and fantasy rpgs... I had people older then my grandmother making sexual comments to me before I finished puberty... I just got used to it some how.



I wonder how many deal with this all the time? If they have to deal with unwanted comments when they step outside to smoke?
some how smoking is like an invitation... I don't get it at all.


And as you said it happens else where at other places. I went to a professional soccer game and I had my butt touched several times and the people I went with told me to me glad it was just my butt. At least my butt was not painfully pinched or smacked.
Bars, Games, Concerts... I swear I should charge lap dance fees at some of them for the feel they get... and for the record that sick joke is how I try to pass off the sick feeling that hits me every time.

Come on open your eyes all you guys worrying about hypothetical maybes of some innocent guy getting kicked out of a con. I told myself I was not going to lose my temper but I am. What part do you not understand women deal with this crap all the time. We are taught as teens how to avoid rape how to deal with leeches who try an touch us and to ignore cat callers I was taught don't make eye contact don't react and walk faster.

OMG... my mom told me the 'no eye concact' thing at 9... and made sure I knew yelling fire got more attention then yelling rape. I know I'm messed up and came from a messed up place, but is that normal to you guys?

It needs to stop period. Men who don't do this need to tell guys who do knock it of. Women need to stop taking it and we do take it we all taught not to make a scene.

I am really pleased at all the men who are speaking up and saying it is wrong I am disgusted at those trying to turn this into well men get mistreated too and we need to be fair.
I am trying to not get mad myself...I said before I checked back here I was going to remain calm...

I am not an unholy bitch and I don't want to see men punished for something they didn't do but since that is a rarity in cases of harassment can we shut about it.
QFT

I would never bring something like romance or sex in the game with guys I don't know. They can get so weird about it.
I know...it's like even if you are sleeping with someone at the table everyone thinks you must play this pure virgin character...


In one game the male PCs went to a brothel and my lone female PC went to dinner with the town's sheriff and spent the night with him. I had to deal with the entire I didn't know your PC was easy. And they were often suggesting I seduce the guard of the King. It got so tiresome.

what, your PC has a girl in every town, and frequents whores on top of that... but I make mention of wanting to bang the CHA 20 paliden and I'm a what... I would be careful with your choice of words DM boy...because if it begins with an S or a W you might need to find a new player... sorry that wasn't me keeping calm...
 

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I think you have me confused with someone else. My only objection here is to the idea of a "one accusation means expulsion". In fact, pointing out to someone when they are out of line would be appropriate many times.
No, no confusion. That's why I quoted your posts. I'm using you as an example.

You seemed to think that your situation at 19 was different. It isn't. You acted in ignorance and were corrected by social pressure. That's great. There are some in this thread- not necessarily you- who seem to think social pressure is unwarranted or ineffective. You're a counter to that position.

In addition, as I discussed upthread- or was it the other thread?- "One accusation" occasionally gets people tossed from venues for a reason: the venues have hard data collected worldwide via their trade organization IAVM and law enforcement that tells them removing the accused is most often the most efficient and reliable way to keep the peace in their venues/events.

Now, to clarify, larger venues do not necessarily remove you from the premises based on a single accusation. Some will merely take you to another area within the building- be that just another area or an actual holding cell- and ask you not to interact with your accuser.

Others- the ones with SERIOUS bankrolls- may well eject you after a single accusation...because they have video evidence that shows or seems to show corroboration. There are some venues that have you on camera once you get out of a car in their parking areas, and have some powerful facial recognition software to go along with it.

Some also have undercovers.

So if you see someone tossed seemingly after just a single accusation of harassment, be aware that the venue's security may be acting upon more evidence than you realize.
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
I have been relatively lucky I have only 3 times been physically assaulted in a gaming environment and only 3 or so times that verbally in any way that is worse then the guys treat each other... I know I am lucky that there are women who get it worse...

I've been to well over 30 conventions in my life and you know how many times i've been physically assaulted or spoken to in any way I found close to menacing or harassing? Zero. Yet this is what women like HardcoreDandDGirl get conditioned into thinking by the behavior of some of the men in the community - that they are relatively lucky to have been physically assaulted only 3 times. That's how bad the problem is. That's how far this is from what should be a normal expectation of zero physical assaults in over 30 years of gaming.

Edit: Sorry to use your post as a springboard for this HardcoreDandDGirl, but your comment perfectly illustrates the different mindset women have to be in around these events in order to protect themselves compared to men.
 
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damned

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Boys talking about "hitting it" and homophobia are not gamer issues. The article attempts to make that connection, but the issue is really one about boys and girls and gaming has nothing to do with it.

This is true. We should be having these conversations at work, at sporting groups, everywhere.

I havent read all 70+ pages of posts here but I am of the opinion that we should accept the word of complainants as being true. If its an allegation of verbal impropriety a word with the accused is required. If its ongoing and witnessed then that person should be counselled and/or removed from the premise. Repeat offenders should be banned. If it warrants reporting to the police then it should be reported to the police.

This wont change overnight. In fact it will probably get worse before it gets better. People will get upset, people will take umbrage at being called out. Friendships will be tested. Some people will take their dice and go play elsewhere. If you do get called out - dont let that define you - think about what you said or did and fix it. Say sorry and dont do it again. Thats not so hard and it will go a long way to making things better for everyone.

And yes - any sort of formal policies that are put into effect should apply to everyone equally.
 

MechaPilot

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Harassment is absolutely not the least of our concerns. It may be a lesser problem than assault but it's part of the spectrum of how women are treated by men who are idiots and have problems behaving like they belong in public. I doubt there are many gropers and attackers who didn't start smaller with off-color comments and harassment before escalating to physical behavior.

It could have been phrased better because I agree that it's not the "least" of our concerns: my harassment experience was certainly horrible. It almost drove me from the hobby and I don't want anyone else to have to go through that. But, I will confess that I think it would pale in comparison to being sexually assaulted or raped.

And, I will add that sexual assault and rape, as physical acts that could potentially be caught on camera, are easier to catch with a simple investment in more security (whereas reducing harassment requires generating community involvement, and it's much harder to move people to act than it is to install more cameras, have a police liaison, and increase the security presence).

Failing to address/reduce cases of assault and rape is more shameful to me as a member of the gaming community than failing to address harassment. Both need to be addressed and savagely reduced, but I think one is a more severe problem than the other if for no other reason than one involves actually violating someone else's body.
 

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