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<blockquote data-quote="DrunkonDuty" data-source="post: 8682086" data-attributes="member: 54364"><p>[USER=5889]@Stalker0[/USER] I reckon I can say now we aren't going to agree and that's fine. These things are subjective. But you did ask me a direct question so here's my answer.</p><p></p><p>What makes Black Widow good for me? Well [USER=7029595]@Hex08[/USER] and [USER=57112]@Gradine[/USER] have both said most of what I think is good about the movie. Basically it shows some real heart. Let's us get an insight into the character. Good cast.</p><p></p><p>As for the criticisms commonly levelled at it... yeah nah. </p><p></p><p>She fell a few stories, hitting multiple things on the way down and walked away? So what. She's a super hero. Plenty of other characters have done the same in other movies without the excuse of being "super." John Maclean and Batman for two examples. No-ones complaining about them doing it. So why does Widow cop it? Also, that particular fall, she hits like a million things on the way down. Each one is slowing her fall. Good enough for me in a superhero universe. Yes, I get that the falling shot feels very visceral. Yes, I agree that there's a disconnect between the feeling it evokes and her walking away. I don't know how many sound designers you've met, but allow me to assure you they LOVE them some overdone audio. Me? I'd have insisted the sound designer re-do their work. Does this one scene ruin the movie? No.</p><p></p><p>Boring villain? Sure. 90% of Marvel villains are boring as hell.* I include Thanos on that list. But, as has been said on these forums in the past, the movies are about the heroes not the the villains. The story and thus the screen time focus on the heroes. We barely see the villains. Most of them get no time to develop. In <em>Black Widow</em> we get to see the villain's evil plot and, given that evil plot's intensely personal nature to both our Widows, it works pretty well. We know why the characters are invested in taking it down. Is Dreykov a second rate Bond villain? Yes. But then so are most Bond villains. Just as we watch Bond movies for Bond, we watch MCU movies for the heroes.</p><p></p><p>Interconnectedness? I'm a Marvel comics nerd. I love me some Easter eggs. But they aren't necessary for making a good movie. Also, re. interconnectedness to the wider MCU... there's Natasha. You know, that character who's in like a squillion MCU movies? Plus Florence Pugh is going to be the new Widow going forward. That's plenty of interconnectedness.</p><p></p><p>Someone in the thread above said something like Natasha doesn't even get a good send off. Ummmmmm. It's a prequel. She gets her send off in <em>Endgame</em>. Oops, soz, spoilers.</p><p></p><p><em>Phew</em>. Well, that was longer than I planned to go on.</p><p></p><p>*This puts the MCU ahead of the DCU where 90% of everyone is boring as hell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrunkonDuty, post: 8682086, member: 54364"] [USER=5889]@Stalker0[/USER] I reckon I can say now we aren't going to agree and that's fine. These things are subjective. But you did ask me a direct question so here's my answer. What makes Black Widow good for me? Well [USER=7029595]@Hex08[/USER] and [USER=57112]@Gradine[/USER] have both said most of what I think is good about the movie. Basically it shows some real heart. Let's us get an insight into the character. Good cast. As for the criticisms commonly levelled at it... yeah nah. She fell a few stories, hitting multiple things on the way down and walked away? So what. She's a super hero. Plenty of other characters have done the same in other movies without the excuse of being "super." John Maclean and Batman for two examples. No-ones complaining about them doing it. So why does Widow cop it? Also, that particular fall, she hits like a million things on the way down. Each one is slowing her fall. Good enough for me in a superhero universe. Yes, I get that the falling shot feels very visceral. Yes, I agree that there's a disconnect between the feeling it evokes and her walking away. I don't know how many sound designers you've met, but allow me to assure you they LOVE them some overdone audio. Me? I'd have insisted the sound designer re-do their work. Does this one scene ruin the movie? No. Boring villain? Sure. 90% of Marvel villains are boring as hell.* I include Thanos on that list. But, as has been said on these forums in the past, the movies are about the heroes not the the villains. The story and thus the screen time focus on the heroes. We barely see the villains. Most of them get no time to develop. In [I]Black Widow[/I] we get to see the villain's evil plot and, given that evil plot's intensely personal nature to both our Widows, it works pretty well. We know why the characters are invested in taking it down. Is Dreykov a second rate Bond villain? Yes. But then so are most Bond villains. Just as we watch Bond movies for Bond, we watch MCU movies for the heroes. Interconnectedness? I'm a Marvel comics nerd. I love me some Easter eggs. But they aren't necessary for making a good movie. Also, re. interconnectedness to the wider MCU... there's Natasha. You know, that character who's in like a squillion MCU movies? Plus Florence Pugh is going to be the new Widow going forward. That's plenty of interconnectedness. Someone in the thread above said something like Natasha doesn't even get a good send off. Ummmmmm. It's a prequel. She gets her send off in [I]Endgame[/I]. Oops, soz, spoilers. [I]Phew[/I]. Well, that was longer than I planned to go on. *This puts the MCU ahead of the DCU where 90% of everyone is boring as hell. [/QUOTE]
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