I think that is the nature of this forum. All surveys suggest fighters and human figthers are the most popular. The posters on this forum are really the fringes of D&D / RPG players, we just have to admit that to ourselves and move on.I have to say, it's surprising to me that more people have seen clerics, rogues, and wizards in play than fighters.
Yeah I never saw a 4e game without a warlord. It was, IME, just as popular as the core 4.I can’t say there are any of these classes I haven’t seen with some regularity (obviously it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a Warlord, but I saw quite a few of them in the one edition they existed in.
The more I read and study the 4E warlord the more I I want a good fighter archetype that mimics it. It was much more flexible and diverse class than I would have believed. I think that it could be the perfect archetype for a intelligence based fighter that is a leader or tactical genius. Or charisma based. It would be interesting to see a fighter with his 2 highest abilities scores being intelligence and charisma.Yeah I never saw a 4e game without a warlord. It was, IME, just as popular as the core 4.
Yeah the Battle Master gets about halfway there, especially if the new maneuvers from UA end up getting published, but it has nothing to support Int or Cha, which is unfortunate.The more I read and study the 4E warlord the more I I want a good fighter archetype that mimics it. It was much more flexible and diverse class than I would have believed. I think that it could be the perfect archetype for a intelligence based fighter that is a leader or tactical genius. Or charisma based. It would be interesting to see a fighter with his 2 highest abilities scores being intelligence and charisma.
As interesting as the class was to read, playing it and getting into the support role it's actually functional at was something of a revelation.The more I read and study the 4E warlord the more I I want a good fighter archetype that mimics it. It was much more flexible and diverse class than I would have believed. I think that it could be the perfect archetype for a intelligence based fighter that is a leader or tactical genius. Or charisma based. It would be interesting to see a fighter with his 2 highest abilities scores being intelligence and charisma.
The BM is on the same chassis as the EK, a '1/3rd caster,' so you'd expect it to be, to a hypothetical Warlord, as EK is to the actual wizard. (I mean, if the EK only ever got 1st level spells, and recharged them on a short rest.)Yeah the Battle Master gets about halfway there, especially if the new maneuvers from UA end up getting published, but it has nothing to support Int or Cha, which is unfortunate.
I Like itAs interesting as the class was to read, playing it and getting into the support role it's actually functional at was something of a revelation.
The BM is on the same chassis as the EK, a '1/3rd caster,' so you'd expect it to be, to a hypothetical Warlord, as EK is to the actual wizard. (I mean, if the EK only ever got 1st level spells, and recharged them on a short rest.)
I suppose you could throw down a simple feat:
Tactical Battlemaster: +1 INT, and you add your INT mod to the result of CS dice that you roll.
Inspiring BM: +1 CHA, and you add your CHA mod to your CS dice.
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Or I could just demonstrate it like I did. That's the second time you mentioned talking to MM. That's dodging the information I gave and the point I made that Essentials was clearly an independent system with it's own class list.
If it was spun as something else you are welcome to give evidence demonstrating how the information I presented from those sourcebooks is inaccurate.