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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8535575" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>I grew up watching mafia movies. Some of them do glamorize violence and crime, but I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. It glamorizes as a way of offering catharsis and allowing us to briefly engage the shadow self. I never came away from those films thinking "now I want to be a gangster". But most don't even glamorize it. Even a film like Goodfellas, is a moral story about the character's descent into hell because the life he is leading is imperiling his soul (it is such a strong theme there are moments where hell is almost literal in the movie). And also, these bad things do exist in the world. I think it is fair for art to tackle them in a variety of ways</p><p></p><p>On your specific points: </p><p></p><p>1) I agree with this. It occasionally lures you in and makes him likable, but then has him doing something that is either repugnant or the opposite of what you want him to be doing in that moment. A good example to me is (spoilers) when he kills Christopher. That not only goes against most peoples sense of morality (you don't harm your own family), but against Tony's stated principles throughout the show. He is constantly paying lip service to the importance of family. </p><p></p><p>2) I think the show is a good mix of family drama and crime show. I don't know if it ends up being a small fraction or a medium one, but the crime stuff is very balanced out by how much we get with the other things going on in their lives. And those two worlds intersect in interesting ways. </p><p></p><p>I agree with your conclusion. This isn't a show that glamorizes crime. It has a strong sense of humor, a very dark sense of humor, and I think that sometimes gets mistaken for it approving of the mobsters behavior.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8535575, member: 85555"] I grew up watching mafia movies. Some of them do glamorize violence and crime, but I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. It glamorizes as a way of offering catharsis and allowing us to briefly engage the shadow self. I never came away from those films thinking "now I want to be a gangster". But most don't even glamorize it. Even a film like Goodfellas, is a moral story about the character's descent into hell because the life he is leading is imperiling his soul (it is such a strong theme there are moments where hell is almost literal in the movie). And also, these bad things do exist in the world. I think it is fair for art to tackle them in a variety of ways On your specific points: 1) I agree with this. It occasionally lures you in and makes him likable, but then has him doing something that is either repugnant or the opposite of what you want him to be doing in that moment. A good example to me is (spoilers) when he kills Christopher. That not only goes against most peoples sense of morality (you don't harm your own family), but against Tony's stated principles throughout the show. He is constantly paying lip service to the importance of family. 2) I think the show is a good mix of family drama and crime show. I don't know if it ends up being a small fraction or a medium one, but the crime stuff is very balanced out by how much we get with the other things going on in their lives. And those two worlds intersect in interesting ways. I agree with your conclusion. This isn't a show that glamorizes crime. It has a strong sense of humor, a very dark sense of humor, and I think that sometimes gets mistaken for it approving of the mobsters behavior. [/QUOTE]
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