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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 3111131" data-attributes="member: 18701"><p>Oh I agree. And that's probably what they were doing until the DM told them the casters level. But guessing right or wrong in this situation shouldn't help them. I would consider any action taken to avoid combat as a reason to initiate combat and start playing on initiatives.</p><p></p><p>I <strong>always</strong> say to my players, "If my NPC's tried doing what you're trying to do, you guys would be arguing that they shouldn't be able to". And we all know that if our NPC's started backing up <strong>600-ft</strong> the players aren't going to just stand there roleplaying a conversation...they'll demand we roll initiative before the NPC's even get to do a single full round move action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I assumed they would be.....why wouldn't the DM play this out in initiative order? If he wasn't, that's part of the problem and I blame the DM as much as the players. Trying to escape while the BBEG is giving his speech is the same as players casting buff spells while the BBEG is giving his speech. And that's grounds for beginning the turn based encounter.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not everything needs to be spelled out with rules. Common sense tells me that unless I'm some skilled genius that can determine precise distances while running for my life, I'm not going to know exactly how far I've ran and if I'm out of range of danger. And I doubt his players are skilled in that way. But I agree, it has little to do with his situation because he never pointed this out. If he did, it would have been more ammo to back up his ruling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 3111131, member: 18701"] Oh I agree. And that's probably what they were doing until the DM told them the casters level. But guessing right or wrong in this situation shouldn't help them. I would consider any action taken to avoid combat as a reason to initiate combat and start playing on initiatives. I [b]always[/b] say to my players, "If my NPC's tried doing what you're trying to do, you guys would be arguing that they shouldn't be able to". And we all know that if our NPC's started backing up [b]600-ft[/b] the players aren't going to just stand there roleplaying a conversation...they'll demand we roll initiative before the NPC's even get to do a single full round move action. I assumed they would be.....why wouldn't the DM play this out in initiative order? If he wasn't, that's part of the problem and I blame the DM as much as the players. Trying to escape while the BBEG is giving his speech is the same as players casting buff spells while the BBEG is giving his speech. And that's grounds for beginning the turn based encounter. Not everything needs to be spelled out with rules. Common sense tells me that unless I'm some skilled genius that can determine precise distances while running for my life, I'm not going to know exactly how far I've ran and if I'm out of range of danger. And I doubt his players are skilled in that way. But I agree, it has little to do with his situation because he never pointed this out. If he did, it would have been more ammo to back up his ruling. [/QUOTE]
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