darkwillow
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I have not seen the remake of Mulan so I can't comment on that. But going from "the remake of Mulan doesn't sell its character's growth" to "modern movies suck" is quite a leap. It's also a little suspicious to only focus on movies with a female lead?The life lesson of the first mulan movie was that hard work pays off, life is hard but stick with it, being smart pays off, etc.
The second mulan movie lesson is you don't have to work at anything, you automatically succeed at everything because you are special.
I've seen asian reviewers complain about this too.
When it comes to talking about Star Wars and Rey in particular, there's such an overwhelming amount of criticism based on sexism that it's hard to separate the bad arguments from the good ones. I know every time I hear someone start to complain about Rey I think, "Oh, no. Not again!" I liked Rey in the first movie and I thought Daisy Ridley did a great job in the role. Actually, that's true for all the other actors in The Force Awakens as well. Personally, I wouldn't argue that she was a Mary Sue because we're talking about a setting where a simple farm boy can go on to destroy the most powerful battle station in the galaxy. Even if that technological terror was insignificant next to the power of the force. And it didn't bother me that she was able to beat Kylo Ren in the first movie as he was severely injured by Chewbacca prior to their fight and maybe a little tuckered out by his fight with Fin.Yeah, yeah, more of the "Rey's a Mary Sue" BS.
I think you need to broaden your mind a little, he has shown lots of movies with amazing female leads. These examples of poor character arc are recent big budge remakes that should know better. And its not "all modern movies", its "modern movies" with poor life lessons.I have not seen the remake of Mulan so I can't comment on that. But going from "the remake of Mulan doesn't sell its character's growth" to "modern movies suck" is quite a leap. It's also a little suspicious to only focus on movies with a female lead?
Maybe bow out of the thread then if you have nothing to offer.Seriously though, modern movies suck??? That is such a weird take. I'm not going to watch the video (it is my eternal pledge to never watch a YouTube video posted in a discussion forum), so @darkwillow
I haven't watched the video you posted, and I'm not going to watch any others.I think you need to broaden your mind a little, he has shown lots of movies with amazing female leads. These examples of poor character arc are recent big budge remakes that should know better. And its not "all modern movies", its "modern movies" with poor life lessons.
He is saying the original Mulan or Wonder Woman was done great, with a great life lesson from a great character arc. Then the remake comes long and you have Wonder Woman taking over an innocent mans body with her wish to have some 70yo lover popped in there, and she doesnt care.
No need to look deeper. If he's serious about making that particular point, he should have included a much broader range of examples; ie, ones with non-female protagonists, ones that aren't action/adventure, or whatnot. Making such a broad declaration (and laughably silly one, at that) based on such a thin set of "data" is lazy and best, and maliciously deceptive at worst. Faux drunkenness notwithstanding, of course.You have to look a little deeper than that... nothing to do with male or female, its about lack of character arc. He reviews lots of amazing female heroes on how to do it well.
When it comes to talking about Star Wars and Rey in particular, there's such an overwhelming amount of criticism based on sexism that it's hard to separate the bad arguments from the good ones. I know every time I hear someone start to complain about Rey I think, "Oh, no. Not again!" I liked Rey in the first movie and I thought Daisy Ridley did a great job in the role. Actually, that's true for all the other actors in The Force Awakens as well. Personally, I wouldn't argue that she was a Mary Sue because we're talking about a setting where a simple farm boy can go on to destroy the most powerful battle station in the galaxy. Even if that technological terror was insignificant next to the power of the force. And it didn't bother me that she was able to beat Kylo Ren in the first movie as he was severely injured by Chewbacca prior to their fight and maybe a little tuckered out by his fight with Fin.
But I don't think she had many opportunities for growth throughout the series. She didn't have an interesting arc like Luke or Anakin did.
And yet so much film criticism today is about how we should return to the 70s where directors were auteurs, because modern film is too safe and corporate. So turns out that people will always complain about film these days, finding different reasons to do so.