Will you make transsexual Elves canon in your games ?

[psychophipps]

You can't stop change but to much change that comes to fast has always created social problems doesn't matter if that change is progressive or conservative it can go either way.

Here for example there were a couple of high profile cases of trans men entering womens sports and unsurprisingly won (lifting and cycling). The liberal hippy dippy thing is "they are women let them compete" but the reality is they are men with superficial surgery and taking female hormones.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other...nwealth-games-ban-on-transgender-weightlifter

The public restroom thing in the USA was also an issue here at schools the girls did not want transgender men in their bathrooms. Wasn't a political problem like the US more of a practical problem. NZ is probably one of the better places in the world to be trans.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation...-nz/10792980/NZ-pretty-safe-place-to-be-trans

But yeah the sporting codes here are struggling over what to do. Women can and do use male bathrooms here especially at things like rock concerts (the guys don't care) but males walking into a female bathroom can get you arrested. Technically the females in male bathrooms can as well but its not really enforced.

Most new restrooms constructed are either unisex, have a unisex option and/or have nappy changing stations. My nephews and nieces school (9-13 years old) has rainbow rooms safe rooms for the LGBT community since with 4000 students you can expec them to have 150-200 students that would identify as LBQT. At my highschool you would have got your testicles jumped on and thrown in the pool (happened in 1993/94) so times are changing and getting better. Such things usually take a generation or so to really change although the might be ahead of behind the curve when it comes to the person in the street. Being gay was legalized in the 1980's you could still get beaten up in the 90's though and such things were not exactly rare (these days it can happen but its very rare/shocking).

I wish your final couple sentences was true here in the U.S. The LGBTQIA+ social and crime victim stats are a complete horror show. A full 40% of this community's dead are unclaimed and have to be buried by the state they resided or died in. Violent crime victim stats are through the roof from physical assault to sexual assault, and it has a ridiculous suicide rate.

To be frank, the LGBTQIA+ community is the biblical "least of these" in the U.S.

 

[Gradine]

Having a government that works funny concept that. Sometimes waiting 10 years or doing nothing is the better play IMHO.

Which is a much easier argument to make from the sidelines when it’s not your rights or dignity or life on the line.

I’m not saying I don’t understand why this is, from a political, historical, or even simply practical viewpoint. Yes, the arc of history bends, if ever so slowly, towards justice. It just strikes me that telling people to wait for justice until enough people can be arsed to give and damn and there’s not enough bigots left to cause trouble in a backlash is a pretty monstrous thing to do, in my not so humble opinion.

Besides, mass popular movements don’t spring fully formed from the forehead of Zeus. They start as smaller, very unpopular movements, and build up from there. Nobody won anything by staying home and waiting for justice to appear spontaneously.

 

[Zardnaar]

I wish your final couple sentences was true here in the U.S. The LGBTQIA+ social and crime victim stats are a complete horror show. A full 40% of this community's dead are unclaimed and have to be buried by the state they resided or died in. Violent crime victim stats are through the roof from physical assault to sexual assault, and it has a ridiculous suicide rate.

To be frank, the LGBTQIA+ community is the biblical "least of these" in the U.S.

And you need to win a federal election to change things like that. Don't focus on things like that, pick someone electable who is not gonna fire up the GOP base and IDK try not losing elections over social issues that you need to be in power to actually help those people you want to help.

That is what I mean you don't have to push the liberal thing to the forefront, win an election on the economy or whatever and make small changes along the way vs no change or regressive change. If you try and do everything at once you make it worse not better.

 

[Zardnaar]

Which is a much easier argument to make from the sidelines when it’s not your rights or dignity or life on the line.

I’m not saying I don’t understand why this is, from a political, historical, or even simply practical viewpoint. Yes, the arc of history bends, if ever so slowly, towards justice. It just strikes me that telling people to wait for justice until enough people can be arsed to give and damn and there’s not enough bigots left to cause trouble in a backlash is a pretty monstrous thing to do, in my not so humble opinion.

Besides, mass popular movements don’t spring fully formed from the forehead of Zeus. They start as smaller, very unpopular movements, and build up from there. Nobody won anything by staying home and waiting for justice to appear spontaneously.

See previous post. To change things you need power, if you lose elections you don't have the power to change things.

Having Hilary as your standard bearer not the best political move and that was 100% predictable.

Same thing happens here the progressive keep losing elections as they are idealists over pragmatists. Money helps but here a 37 year old pregnant women won while being outspent 3-1 and Hilary outspend Donald. Depending on how things turn out in say 10 years time I think the GOP won't be able to win elections, USA is getting more liberal and they can't slow that down. They can abuse the rules in the short term to try and drag that process out.

To win power you have to compromise. Small gains (or even no gains) is better than no gains or going backwards yes? Main point is if you try and do everything at once well you might just end up with nothing, Or worse than nothing.We have quite a few Americans over here and alot of them are what you you Reagan Republicans they tend to turn into liberals after a few years here. You're never going to change the hardcore conservatives minds but you cant get the ones in the middle by pandering to every ideal progressives can think up. And not all of the conservative views are unreasonable (better border security doesn't mean you have to do mass deportations).

You have to let people change their minds or come to their own conclusions. Telling them they are wrong and calling them deplorable isn't going to help. Basically I agree with you guys about change being needed, but how you get there is also important. Over here we have a few nutters as well but its a waste of time trying to get a holocaust denier or international socialist to change their minds.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Folks, we’re approaching a page and a half of politics at this point. Get back to discussing gaming soon or...

 

[TheCosmicKid]

EDIT: Never mind, didn't see the above instruction.

EDIT EDIT: Wait, is [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] a mod?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

EDIT: Never mind, didn't see the above instruction.

EDIT EDIT: Wait, is [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] a mod?

Quasi. 99% of what I do is nuke spammers. Sometimes I step into the breach when the REAL guys are too busy, on leave of absence, or if something is obviously wrong- porn, someone using a multi to get around a permaban, etc.

 

[TheCosmicKid]

Quasi. 99% of what I do is nuke spammers. Sometimes I step into the breach when the REAL guys are too busy, on leave of absence, or if something is obviously wrong- porn, someone using a multi to get around a permaban, etc.

I am so sorry.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

What for? It’s nice to help keep the place tidy.

 

[Maxperson]

I haven't followed these incidents closely, yet my first reaction was 'an unwilling patient is a recipe for failure'. The amateur status of the person / people applying the "treatment" will aggravate this. The patient would resist the treatment not respond positively to it.
Do you know of any cases where a person who wanted to change their self-identification went through one of these treatments and it succeeded (without damaging side-effects)?

I don't really know of any case where it succeeded. The problem is that the "pray the gay away" groups are very religious, and the sites and articles put out about success rates are also very religious and therefore heavily biased, so I can't trust any accounts that I've seen. The wikipedia has a lot of interesting things to say on the matter. I'll post the link below. Other articles by reputable sources similarly show that the "successes" are dubious at best.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy