Would you allow Diplomacy the ability to insult as well as negotiate?

[blargney the second]

I think Rich Burlew's alternate Diplomacy rules bear mentioning. What you're proposing is a character that's just bargaining for a hostile reaction.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Of course you can use Diplomacy to insult someone, it just isn't an overt insult.

 

[Cobblestone]

Funny you should ask...

We've been discussing the crunchy bits of that exact thing over here.

C-Stone

 

[Starglim]

Makes perfect sense, providing only that the target is intelligent enough actually to recognise he's being insulted. I don't see Diplomacy covering simple crudity very well.

 

[GammaPaladin]

Diplomacy is the skill of influencing people. There's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to use it to influence people towards hating you (Or even goad them into attacking you) if that's what you want to use it for.

 

[Aeric]

Diplomacy is the skill of influencing people. There's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to use it to influence people towards hating you (Or even goad them into attacking you) if that's what you want to use it for.

QFT.

 

[green slime]

Some would say that diplomacy is the art of insulting while retaining plausible deniability.

Yes, I'd certainly allow someone with diplomacy to negatively influence NPC reaction. A character with diplomacy always knows what not to say - and can then choose to say exactly that.

I agree completely

 

[hong]

Don't forget Perform, too!

 

[Slife]

I think Rich Burlew's alternate Diplomacy rules bear mentioning. What you're proposing is a character that's just bargaining for a hostile reaction.

The main problem with them I see is that a level 20 wizard can't convince his level 20 cleric wife to pass the salt.

 

[the Jester]

Absolutely! Diplomacy is the art of changing peoples' attitudes (in game terms); I'd have no problem with someone using it to change someone's attitude to a less friendly one. I think that's a great idea.

I once played a bard who took Perform (insults) and Perform (ethnic jokes).