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Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:02 PM #51
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
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Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:10 PM #52
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
Check above for the complete summary, but as has been mentioned, they've already explained this. Putting the code in just unlocks the descriptions of what they do. Everything will still be there no matter what. You can still pick the feat/class ability even if you dont have the book.Originally Posted by epochrpg
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Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:18 PM #53
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
So don't buy a book when the code packet has already been ripped open?Originally Posted by Relique du Madde
If I go to a store and find that it's supposed to have a CD in it, and the CD is missing I won't buy it.
Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:19 PM #54
Lama (Lvl 13)
It was said already, just not in that article. It was on a message board(can't remember which one). Someone asked "can you get the digital copy if you aren't a subscriber" and the answer was yes but that being a subscriber also unlocked the rules items in all of the DDI databases.Originally Posted by Scribble
When asked if you'd be able to access the digital copy while offline, the answer was more ambiguous. I believe it was something like "we are looking at ways to maximize the use of your digital copy of the book while making sure it is protected from copying, however we have not decided how this will work."
There were similar answers to questions asked about whether the file would be a PDF and whether it would have DRM or watermarking. It all amounted to "We don't want you to be able to copy the file or let anyone else use it. The easiest way to do that is make it so that you need to be logged in using your username and password online to view the book, making it impossible to copy it. However, a lot of people might complain about that, so maybe we'll turn it into a PDF file with DRM preventing people from copying it or giving it to other people. However, a lot of people might complain about that. So, we'll have a meeting sometime and discuss how much protection we can get away with putting on these things before June."
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Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:28 PM #55
Actually you WILL be able to have that spiffy feat/prestige class - IF you already know what it does according to the text:Originally Posted by epochrpg
To get access to the full details of the relevant rules and mechanical elements, though, you will need to own the E-version of the physical book where these rules or mechanical elements were published. When you purchase the printed book, a code will grant access to the E-version of the book for a nominal fee. As a subscriber, ownership of the E-version gives you access, when you are online, to the rules content while you’re filling out or updating your character sheet. Without the E-version, however, the character sheet will give you only the barest information (such as the names of feats and such) and refer you to the appropriate published books.
So you will be able to borrow your buddy's book to look up the feat, put it on your character in the generator, but just not have access to the full text of the feat/prestige class is what I get from that, right?
Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:30 PM #56
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
Apples to Oranges
Keep in mind that Paizo is merely offering a simple PDF version of some of the elements in a print magazine. Aside from the chore of uploading, there's literally no extra work--they just save the file (which they've already created for the printer) as a PDF.Originally Posted by Azgulor
WotC is not just offering a simple PDF version. They're offering something entirely different: "As a subscriber, ownership of the E-version gives you access, when you are online, to the rules content while you’re filling out or updating your character sheet."
They're offering the content of the book entered into a database that integrates with their other tools. Creating such content is an additional expense--it's not just choosing "save as PDF" from the print layout program.
Frankly, WotC taking the time to create this huge suite of useful tools demonstrates that they are incredibly customer focused. There have been dozens of threads on this board asking WotC to create exactly what's described in that article. The DDI's tools (particularly the character and encounter builders) is a huge win for customers.
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Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:36 PM #57
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
I wionder if they'll have a CD included with the books... You put the cd in, log into the system and download the digital version plus unlock the features in DDI.
If someone else uses the CD to do the same, your copy disapears. (like if you sell a book now...)
Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:55 PM #58
A 1e title so awesome it's not in the book (Lvl 21)
1.) To access the e-book version, you must already have DDI account. Which means you've already registered your name and credit-card billing address. Withouy a DDI account (and a credit card to pay the unlock fee) the code itself is useless.Originally Posted by Relique du Madde
2.) I doubt the codes will be unique to each book. More likely, there will be one generic code for each book. The code will allow you to purchase the e-book version (for a fee). So even if you don't buy the book (you copy down the code), you could still buy an online-only version (available to you as long as you have a DDI account) without penalty (except for the lack of a paper/printable copy).
3.) Even if you DON'T buy the hardcover, WotC still gets you for DDI+Access Cost. And you'll have to be online on there site to use it. Thats more money than they'd get if you downloaded a OCR version off Kazaa...
4.) It finally gives users a choice: An online-only version for a nominal fee (still readable, if not printable) a paper-only version (and you get the bare-bones version online) or get the premium package and get BOTH the online version for reference (and the more robust generators) and the paper-book.
5.) Will it stop piracy? No. Will it slow it down by giving it a legitimate alternative (like iTunes did) yes.
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Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 08:58 PM #59
Novice (Lvl 1)
Well I love the concept of the digital table. Sadly, I won't ever be able to use it due to the computer limitations. Bummer.
As far as the ebook goes, I support them charging the extra fee. As has been mentioned, the service that Paizo provides and the one that Wizards will be offering are not truly comparable. You'll be getting a lot more for your bucks.
I'm inclined to agree with the poster who suggested the generic code as the way to go. Otherwise, there's no real way to protect the code aside from shrink wrapping the book, which would be a marketing disaster. A CD is not much of an option...lots of computers don't even bother with CD-Rom anymore, and it'd add a great deal to the cost that people who have no interest in electronic materials would be rightfully unwilling to pay. Having a generic code might open them to some theft issues (though I like the sealed envelope idea) but it'll be fairly well balanced by the profit they'll be making from those who don't steal the code. Besides, they could put a protective device into the code entry system that would require the book to be present when entering the code online.
In the end, the only issue I have are the hardware limitations for the online apps. I can understand the reasons for it, but that doesn't do me or most of my friends any good.
Wednesday, 24th October, 2007, 09:04 PM #60
Thaumaturgist (Lvl 9)
Charles has this exactly right.Originally Posted by CharlesRyan
The nominal fee is likely $1-2.
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