GandalfMithrandir
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correct, either that or an M1 Garand with a bayonet, I'll give you xp when I have some to give and I am able to
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Scott DeWar
Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
Holyman, I only know that because I am former Military, Active. As such I know that the Guard was given hand me down crap to work with back then and the rifle before the M-16 was the M1 carbine and Garand (from angola wars?). It was an actul fact that the M1 was preferred over the M-16 because of reliability and accduracy, where the M-16 (AKA:AR-15, or assault rifle modle 15) was chosen because of its 'Space Age" look.
Just out of curiosity, HM, what did you find on google and wikki? Or did you find it?
Scott-not a history buff, just knows his sh...schtuff-DeWar
Just out of curiosity, HM, what did you find on google and wikki? Or did you find it?
Scott-not a history buff, just knows his sh...schtuff-DeWar
HolyMan
Thy wounds are healed!
Pulling your chain Scott- gun expert -Dewar. I would have googled as that is how I appear so smart in this modern age LOL
I thought M1 when I saw the pick but the barrel nozzle looked off. And I only thought M1 because of the bayonet. They (along with the M-16) were one of the few american weapons givin a bayonet and that diffently wasn't an M-16.
All my gun knowledge comes from Rambo btw.
HM
I thought M1 when I saw the pick but the barrel nozzle looked off. And I only thought M1 because of the bayonet. They (along with the M-16) were one of the few american weapons givin a bayonet and that diffently wasn't an M-16.
All my gun knowledge comes from Rambo btw.
HM
GandalfMithrandir
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The Garand was the standard infantry weapon of the US during WW2, although the carbine saw a lot of service, moreso in the pacific than in the european theater, because the ranges were much shorter so the slightly reduced accuracy at longer ranges that the carbine had didn't matter as much. The US was actually the first nation to have every combat soldier equipped with a semi-automatic rifle, other nations had them (like germanies K43), but they were not as common
Scott DeWar
Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
i am not an x-pert by any means. I just know the period of history and riots vs who had to deal with it!
Incendiary, you may want to go back further in history like to the napolionic wars regarding muskets.
Professor GandulfMithdranor, care to give comment on that?
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GandalfMithrandir
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Thank you sir!
the primary difference between muskets and rifles is that muskets are smoothbores, because they don't have any rifling on the inside of a barrel, rifles, on the other hand, which had been introduced during the napoleonic wars (see the sharpe series) are much more accurate, this is because the rifling gives a spin on the bullet as it flies, so it cuts through the air better. Also, in the napoleoninc wars especially, the barrel did not always fit exactly to the bullets, so it would bounce off the side of the barrel and go every which way.
Most every firearm at this point was a front loader, which means that you have to set the butt of the rifle on the ground, take out some powder, ram that down, take the bullet, ram that down, and then on the back was the hammer which had a thing to ignite the powder, you would pull that back, pull the trigger and bam, gun goes off.
In the Napoleonic wars, the weapons were not very effective, especially considering that the redcoats, as the british were called, actually wore bright red coats, which was to cover up the blood when people got shot and keep up morale but I digress, also all the weapons were front loaders like the muskets I described, and the cavalry used sabers, like we all picture.
Conversely, in the civil war, the gatling gun had recently been invented but was very rare, and the cavalry were given repeating rifles, where you load the ammunition into the back of the rifle, then flip a lever, usually the trigger guard, to chamber another round. Also the effective range of the rifles went from about 20-50 yards for semi-accurate fire in the napoleonic wars, to 50-100 yards in the civil war, and also it must be noted that in this time period everyone got in a line and shot at each other, all standing up in a line, which had something to do with the casualties, but General Lee invented trench warfare, which was more common at the end of the war.
This leads us to World War One, with huge trench systems, with large charges between trenches met by heavy machine gun and artillery fire, bolt action rifles being the most common weapon, besides machine guns.
EDIT: particularly for HM, but on the battlefield of antietam, or most any battlefield, there are cannons, and most of them have rifling, so you can go see that, and I guess while I'm thinking about Cannons I'll go into that. Cannons were loaded like muskets, mostly, where they load from the front, first someone with a wet cloth on a stick would run it through the barrel after a screw to clean out any debris or sparks. then a powder charge in a paper bag, usually would be put in, with one or two charges, depending on what you wanted to get out of the gun, and the back of the bag would be torn open, btw, and then would be loaded the round, either round shot, for battering down fortifications, or going through lines of people, canister, for anti infantry, these were cans filled with musket balls to make a large shotgun effect, or exploding shot, with a fuse that would detonate a certain time after firing, these are seen in the movie Sahara. a fuse would be put in the back of the cannon, then lit, and there was also a second hole in the back of the cannon, and it was someones job to have a thick leather thumb guard to hold his thumb over that while the cannon fired, no idea why that is. Anyway the fuse would burn down to the powder and the cannon would shoot.
Other stuff I reccomend about this stuff:The movie Gettysburg, The Book The Killer angels, The TV show Band of Brothers, the Movie Saving Private Ryan, the Books and movies about Sharpe, with the british rifles, starting with Sharpes Rifles
the primary difference between muskets and rifles is that muskets are smoothbores, because they don't have any rifling on the inside of a barrel, rifles, on the other hand, which had been introduced during the napoleonic wars (see the sharpe series) are much more accurate, this is because the rifling gives a spin on the bullet as it flies, so it cuts through the air better. Also, in the napoleoninc wars especially, the barrel did not always fit exactly to the bullets, so it would bounce off the side of the barrel and go every which way.
Most every firearm at this point was a front loader, which means that you have to set the butt of the rifle on the ground, take out some powder, ram that down, take the bullet, ram that down, and then on the back was the hammer which had a thing to ignite the powder, you would pull that back, pull the trigger and bam, gun goes off.
In the Napoleonic wars, the weapons were not very effective, especially considering that the redcoats, as the british were called, actually wore bright red coats, which was to cover up the blood when people got shot and keep up morale but I digress, also all the weapons were front loaders like the muskets I described, and the cavalry used sabers, like we all picture.
Conversely, in the civil war, the gatling gun had recently been invented but was very rare, and the cavalry were given repeating rifles, where you load the ammunition into the back of the rifle, then flip a lever, usually the trigger guard, to chamber another round. Also the effective range of the rifles went from about 20-50 yards for semi-accurate fire in the napoleonic wars, to 50-100 yards in the civil war, and also it must be noted that in this time period everyone got in a line and shot at each other, all standing up in a line, which had something to do with the casualties, but General Lee invented trench warfare, which was more common at the end of the war.
This leads us to World War One, with huge trench systems, with large charges between trenches met by heavy machine gun and artillery fire, bolt action rifles being the most common weapon, besides machine guns.
EDIT: particularly for HM, but on the battlefield of antietam, or most any battlefield, there are cannons, and most of them have rifling, so you can go see that, and I guess while I'm thinking about Cannons I'll go into that. Cannons were loaded like muskets, mostly, where they load from the front, first someone with a wet cloth on a stick would run it through the barrel after a screw to clean out any debris or sparks. then a powder charge in a paper bag, usually would be put in, with one or two charges, depending on what you wanted to get out of the gun, and the back of the bag would be torn open, btw, and then would be loaded the round, either round shot, for battering down fortifications, or going through lines of people, canister, for anti infantry, these were cans filled with musket balls to make a large shotgun effect, or exploding shot, with a fuse that would detonate a certain time after firing, these are seen in the movie Sahara. a fuse would be put in the back of the cannon, then lit, and there was also a second hole in the back of the cannon, and it was someones job to have a thick leather thumb guard to hold his thumb over that while the cannon fired, no idea why that is. Anyway the fuse would burn down to the powder and the cannon would shoot.
Other stuff I reccomend about this stuff:The movie Gettysburg, The Book The Killer angels, The TV show Band of Brothers, the Movie Saving Private Ryan, the Books and movies about Sharpe, with the british rifles, starting with Sharpes Rifles
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Scott DeWar
Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
Actually, I think the subject was Bayonettes.
GandalfMithrandir
First Post
oh.. ok
so bayonets are made to be used in a charge or against a charge. for example, a bayonet can be attached to the end of a rifle which is then put on the ground at an angle to deter a cavalry charge. Throguhout the years, the bayonet has changed. initially there were sword bayonets, which were essentially short swords attached to the end of a rifle, then there were spike bayonets, particularly around the time of the civil war, which were found to be much less obstructive to aiming when they were on, then the switch back to sword bayonets was made when they were found to be actually rather useful as regular knives.
Asides from the different knives, the three sided bayonet was outlawed by the geneva convention because the wounds healed badly.
and that is all my knowledge on bayonets.
so bayonets are made to be used in a charge or against a charge. for example, a bayonet can be attached to the end of a rifle which is then put on the ground at an angle to deter a cavalry charge. Throguhout the years, the bayonet has changed. initially there were sword bayonets, which were essentially short swords attached to the end of a rifle, then there were spike bayonets, particularly around the time of the civil war, which were found to be much less obstructive to aiming when they were on, then the switch back to sword bayonets was made when they were found to be actually rather useful as regular knives.
Asides from the different knives, the three sided bayonet was outlawed by the geneva convention because the wounds healed badly.
and that is all my knowledge on bayonets.
Relique du Madde
Adventurer
Relique du Madde
Adventurer
What? No mention about how the South invented the sniper unit*?!?! For Shame!
* And yes, I am well aware they were used in the Napoleonic war, but that doesn't matter because as far as the US is concerned, they came into being during the Civil War.
* And yes, I am well aware they were used in the Napoleonic war, but that doesn't matter because as far as the US is concerned, they came into being during the Civil War.
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