D&D 5E After 2 years the 5E PHB remains one of the best selling books on Amazon

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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Can someone please translate this from Tin-Foil-Hat to English for me?
The direct translation is, "AAAAAAHHHHH! AAAAAAHHHH! <even louder> AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!"
More loosely translated, it can be understood as, "The world is changing, and it is terrifying, and I want you to stop it."
 

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Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
That is a great question to ask if the answer you want to hear is "No thanks, just looking"

If it's something you're not familiar with, and you're buying someone a gift, it's a very good question. I have gone into stores several times and when people ask if there is something they can help me with, I say things like, "Yeah I am buying a gift for an 11 year old who likes anime, do you have something you might recommend?" and that usually gets me a very good answer. If the clerks know their products well, that's their way of telling you they're open for free advice on the types of things they carry and who tends to like those things and what is popular with various age ranges and broad categories of tastes.
 

Shasarak

Banned
Banned
If it's something you're not familiar with, and you're buying someone a gift, it's a very good question. I have gone into stores several times and when people ask if there is something they can help me with, I say things like, "Yeah I am buying a gift for an 11 year old who likes anime, do you have something you might recommend?" and that usually gets me a very good answer. If the clerks know their products well, that's their way of telling you they're open for free advice on the types of things they carry and who tends to like those things and what is popular with various age ranges and broad categories of tastes.

Not really. It is usually better to open up with some other type of ice breaker that gets that rapport started usually in a way that can not be answered by a yes or no response. Just one of those little tricks of the trade you pick up in retail.
 

flametitan

Explorer
Not really. It is usually better to open up with some other type of ice breaker that gets that rapport started usually in a way that can not be answered by a yes or no response. Just one of those little tricks of the trade you pick up in retail.

So the solution is to make someone feel unwelcome in order to "break the ice"?
 


Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Not really. It is usually better to open up with some other type of ice breaker that gets that rapport started usually in a way that can not be answered by a yes or no response. Just one of those little tricks of the trade you pick up in retail.

Like what? I wander into a store and appear to be randomly looking around. What is this secret ice breaker that a clerk is going to say that isn't too personal and which makes it clear they are able to help me find the product I am looking for?
 

seebs

Adventurer
That is a great question to ask if the answer you want to hear is "No thanks, just looking"

In which case, great, your work is done. People who are shopping for someone else, and want advice, can always ask for it if they want. Assuming they're looking for someone else risks offending them, but doesn't improve your chances of helping them.
 

pemerton

Legend
Personally for me female characters have been part of the game since I first got the red box and read about the adventures of that nameless fighter and his lovely cleric companion Aleena.
Sure. There's never been any bar on having female characters in the game. (Though framing them as "lovely companions" might bring along some baggage.)

But this particular line of conversation is about the books, and the sort of gameworld they portray and (thereby) the sort of audience they seem to assume they are speaking to.

Wait so wenching is sexist? Dang! Honestly having a table that lists a type of prostitute a randy adventurer may encounter as he looks to spend his hard earned gold has got to be a different thing than REH racism.
The discussion about whether prostitution, as an institution, is sexist or not has been going on more-or-less non-stop for at least 50 years now, both in mainstream public forums and in academic forums. I assume you're at least somewhat familiar with it. Because I think it's a discussion that falls outside permissible topics for the board, I won't go any further than pointing to it.

But when we talk about the random harlot table we're not primarily talking about whether or not prostitution is sexist. Nor about whether sex with groupies is sexist. We're not even primarily talking about whether an orientation towards women which sees them primarily as providers of sexual gratification to men is sexist. (Though all those things might well be in play.)

The main thing we're talking about is whether a fictional depiction of women as objects of sexual gratification is sexist.

That general proposition is debated. I have memories of reading, a long time ago, an essay by Susan Sontag defending (at least in some respects or to some extent - it's been a while) The Story of O. But the Story of O does give its female protagonist a voice within the story, and motivations - even if they're motivations of self-subordination to the men who want to have sex with her.

I don't think this is true of the harlot table. The literary function of the harlot table is no different from the literary function of swooning women and heaving bosoms in the pulps. Whether you treat it as pseudo-pornographic or as a source of humor, either way I don't think it can be characterised as an inclusive or welcoming or reciprocal depiction of women in the gameworld. It's about imagining them as available to have sex with the male protagonists.
 

Shasarak

Banned
Banned
Like what? I wander into a store and appear to be randomly looking around. What is this secret ice breaker that a clerk is going to say that isn't too personal and which makes it clear they are able to help me find the product I am looking for?

There is no "secret" question, just something to get past that awkwardness of two strangers meeting while breaking their pattern and avoiding those autopilot answers.

How about, "What did you think about the Chiefs game last night?", "That T shirt looks cool, where did you get it from?", "What did you think about those comics you got last week?" Just use some of those Roleplaying skills and a little imagination.

In which case, great, your work is done. People who are shopping for someone else, and want advice, can always ask for it if they want. Assuming they're looking for someone else risks offending them, but doesn't improve your chances of helping them.

I do not see any inherent problem asking someone if they are shopping for someone else. Personally I would not lead with it and on the other hand it is a very important thing to find out so you can give them the best advice.

In any case what you say is probably less important to how you say it. A smile is probably enough to get you over the line with most people that are not actively looking to be offended.
 

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