CapnZapp
Legend
That is a grossly slanted misrepresentation of the complaints.
D&D 5E Forget about the treasure and pricing system of 5E!
jasper
Rotten DM
Ok.
Stuff breaks aka ammo. You are making your archers refill the ammo. And spell components cost. Add in replacement costs for every thing. Every level above 5th you have replace or repair at 1/2 your gear.
Prices float. In Cleric ville potions of healing are half price. In the deep woods of Alabama a healing potion is 500. The price list is just a starting point for dms.
Or you could do what I used to do on adventures/modules. First read thru drop 1/3 of the magic. Second read thru start dropping duplicate magic items. Let see morrus is the only archer so drop the bow. Cut treasure in half on the first read through. Etc.
Then talk with your players. You know occasionally they do wake up and answer you. Do they want to become a baron? Land owner? Own a keep? If yes then talk to them about what a reasonable gp cost for those are. You also have a plot line for up coming games.
Recognize that most games are money heavy and cost light after a few levels.
Stuff breaks aka ammo. You are making your archers refill the ammo. And spell components cost. Add in replacement costs for every thing. Every level above 5th you have replace or repair at 1/2 your gear.
Prices float. In Cleric ville potions of healing are half price. In the deep woods of Alabama a healing potion is 500. The price list is just a starting point for dms.
Or you could do what I used to do on adventures/modules. First read thru drop 1/3 of the magic. Second read thru start dropping duplicate magic items. Let see morrus is the only archer so drop the bow. Cut treasure in half on the first read through. Etc.
Then talk with your players. You know occasionally they do wake up and answer you. Do they want to become a baron? Land owner? Own a keep? If yes then talk to them about what a reasonable gp cost for those are. You also have a plot line for up coming games.
Recognize that most games are money heavy and cost light after a few levels.
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Matrix Sorcica
Hero
And then they tell you they don't want that, but they still want the gold to matter. Which is what this thread is about. It's not about you as the DM has to come up with prices for baronies and such, nor for not using the published adventures as... Well, published.
Tony Vargas
Legend
Did "Spoon Boy" from The Matrix take up DMing?
...then you'll see, that it is not the game that balances, it is only yourself....
ccs
41st lv DM
"Lunch! And dinner. And 2nd dinner. And...." - Bree Burrfoot, 1/2ling. Awesome Adventurer (aka Warlock)
Warmaster Horus
Explorer
I prefer 'succinct summary'. I think WotC made a pretty good case for why there isn't a comprehensive and extensive mercantile system associated with the base game. There are plenty of folks who have put forth third-party systems for valuation systems.
The argument, "I can't spend my money! Gold is useless!" is symptomatic of lazy gaming, IMHO. There's always a use for money and it's up to everyone, players and DMs, to say how they use, store and protect their wealth. Do the clerics tithe? Does anyone invest in mercantile endeavors? How about taxation for the king who is waging yet another war and is in need of coin? Apparently no one has a family they can assist. Etc.
ccs
41st lv DM
Just because something has a price listed for it in the book doesn't mean that it's easily available during play.
For ex; In my world "commercial" plate armor is only produced in limited quantities, in 3 places. If you want a newly made suit of it? You've got to 1st go to one of those places (this is not always convenient/practical/possible depending upon how your adventures going.). And then you'll discover that you're the latest entry on a considerable wait list. 50% payment up front & you'll be contacted when your armors done. (of course you've also got to return to pay it off & pick it up) It ain't like walking into Wal-Mart & picking up a new shirt....
Matrix Sorcica
Hero
What case is that and what are those third-party systems besides Sane Magical Prices?
Please shut the hell up with the lazy DM BS and stop suggesting money sinks. Instead, read this article http://theangrygm.com/nothing-here-but-worthless-gold/ and then come back with some advice that's actually within scope of this thread! Hint: it's not about taxes, tithes, castles, baronies, orphanages, sewer construction or anything else people keep spewing out as 'solutions'. Thank you.
ccs
41st lv DM
They'll get around to it. One of these years they'll need filler material for another book. So just wait patiently.
Hmmm.... now, there's a number of things about the Angry GM's rants. He's very defensive and, well, angry. Though, he does make a few good points.
Mainly, money really does need to apply towards something related to the adventuring lifestyle for it to have any meaning in a game. The most obvious is equipment. Consumables, more expensive spells, maybe some magic items even if its not normally something you'd buy.
After that, the Angry GM does talk about hirelings and strongholds. Call it what you want - a barony, or a church, whatever. The point is that you're building a PC version of a dungeon and minions to fill it. Not a lot of stories take place your dungeon being attacked, but it could be used in stories too.
Also talks a bit about transportation, but that's pretty meaningless with spells. Even if you just hire someone to cast the spell for you.
I think the thing that really gets me is that we have things like blacksmith kits and stuff.... and you can't really make anything with it but the most basic items that, after level 4, quickly lose their meaning and any relevance in the game. You have a whole host of mechanics that... just don't... well... do anything. Its a bit frustrating for the people who want to take them.
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