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Does hardness overcome hardness?
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Gez
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Well, I don't think there's anything about this subject in the rules, but it would seem logical, given that, in the Real World Rules (
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I'd say the example is akin to the size modifiers used for creatures. For example a size S creature (e.g., gnome) gets a +1 to AC and +1 to attacks. this applies to every situation even when 2 size S creatures are fighting each other. A gnome gets +1 on attacks against another gnome who gets +1 to his AC so they balance out.
I would treat each item/weapon as its own individual thing. If an item is made of adamatine then it bypasses hardness of anything it is used against. It is simpler this way and consistent with other 3.5 sytems and mechanics, IMO.
I would treat each item/weapon as its own individual thing. If an item is made of adamatine then it bypasses hardness of anything it is used against. It is simpler this way and consistent with other 3.5 sytems and mechanics, IMO.
jgsugden
Legend
In the real world, it makes sense. In game terms, it doesn't. Having metal weapons ignore the hardness of other metal weapons negates the need for hardness.
This is one area where fantasy diverges from reality. In D&D, a nonmagical club made of wood in the hands of a raging barbarian can shatter a longsword.
In other words, this was a concept that they avoided in the core rules. If you want to include it, you're not following the game rules, but it certainly makes sense. It may, however, lead to some bad ramifications by making sundering too easy ...
This is one area where fantasy diverges from reality. In D&D, a nonmagical club made of wood in the hands of a raging barbarian can shatter a longsword.
In other words, this was a concept that they avoided in the core rules. If you want to include it, you're not following the game rules, but it certainly makes sense. It may, however, lead to some bad ramifications by making sundering too easy ...
James McMurray
First Post
No, hardness does not overcome hardness, nor should it (for the reasons jgsugden pointed out).
Even adamantine doesn't ignore its own hardness. It ignores hardness of less than 20.
Even adamantine doesn't ignore its own hardness. It ignores hardness of less than 20.
James McMurray said:
Good catch on the <20 hardness issue.
But really items having hardness has no effect on whether or not they can better sunder something else. Hardness is similar to damage reduction and doesn't apply to offensive use - so hardness overcoming hardness is not really a possibility, IMO.
Admantine could bypass the hardness of lesser materials though (specifically anything with less than 20 hardness)
