The Iron Mage (WotST build)

Fedifensor

Explorer
Well, if you're one-manning it due to the incompetence of your allies, then I agree you need everything you can get. And if the point of your build is to showcase a wizard's maximum AC, then, well, no point in compromising, is there?
Well, the build is meant to be playable...I just consider the AC more important than you do.

5 CON means 5 HP AND +2.5 Healing Surges AND +2.5 Fortitude AND +2.5 on Staff Mastery. Together, it adds up to quite a lot.
* +5 HP on a character that already has 159 HP is trivial.
* Two extra healing surges (since 18+5=23) are useful...if you're taking enough damage to use those surges. This build is designed to minimize incoming damage.
* +2 Fortitude (again, 18+5=23) IS useful, which is why I've been considering whether Wisdom or Charisma can be lowered in the build. Wisdom is my top candidate, but I don't like losing the Spell Accuracy and the push capability (if I switch to Thunderwave).
* +2 on Staff Mastery (which comes into play once per round) is useful, but possibly overkill given the build's current defenses. A natural 20 always hits, after all.

4 AC and 2 Reflex is a big deal if you're getting targeted often, I agree. However, a 17% damage boost to an At-Will power is also very nice.
Nice, but not overwhelming...especially when the higher levels rely on encounter and daily powers for the majority of damage output.

Improved Initiative is something I drew out of a hat. Toughness is also nice. Heck, even Linguist is good, as are the Multiclass feats (Initiate of the Faith and Pact Initiate are good choices).
The build already has Toughness, and there are a few feats that could be dropped if the player wants access to other feats. For example, while Solid Sound is a nice defense boost, it is situational and can be removed if necessary. Epic Resurgence is nice, but depends on you rolling a 20, making the effect unpredictable (and you have Spiral Tower Action if you really need another encounter power). Arcane Mastery is nice, but if you prefer to use action points for an extra action (since you can only spend one per encounter) then it may not get much use. Finally, if you lower Wisdom, you may as well drop Spell Accuracy.

Spell damage feats are not limited-use. They apply every time you attack with a power that has the correct keyword.
Which is still significantly less often than a weapon user, who always uses the same weapon to attack. Trying to build around a single damage type generally means you have subpar choices in your power selection. It can be worthwhile for cold mages (due to Wintertouched and Lasting Frost), but otherwise I wouldn't recommend it.

As far as the AC goes, it really has everything to do with how often you get targeted. If you're only getting attacked a few times per encounter, the extra HP should be enough to compensate. However, if you're a hot target, then yes the AC is very nice.
One of the purposes of the build is to allow you to be a hot target. The defenders can spend less time worrying about you and more time worrying about other characters (such as the strikers and leaders). The build also has a good Reflex save, which helps against attacks like breath weapons (the game is called Dungeons and Dragons, after all).

Yeah, that's a great build. I do believe there are other good Staff builds, though.
Oh, it's certainly not the only good staff build. It really depends on what you're looking for in a character.
 

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Xorn

First Post
Not sure if it was mentioned (I started skimming), but if you have:

Hide Specialization
Shield Specialization
Lightning Reflexes

Then Shield Specialization does nothing. You already get +1 AC and +2 Reflex from the other two feats.
 

Fedifensor

Explorer
Then Shield Specialization does nothing. You already get +1 AC and +2 Reflex from the other two feats.
The build doesn't have Shield Specialization, just proficiency with light and heavy shields. The +2 to AC and Reflex is standard for a heavy shield, and is not a feat bonus, so it stacks with Hide Armor Specialization and Lightning Reflexes.
 

Ceylin

First Post
So a Class with max Dex / Int + hide armor will have more AC than someone in plate at level 30? (+21 vs +20).

Why does that bother me?
 

Fedifensor

Explorer
So a Class with max Dex / Int + hide armor will have more AC than someone in plate at level 30? (+21 vs +20).

Why does that bother me?
Keep in mind that the last +1 is due to a class feature. A fighter can upgrade to plate and take Pit Fighter to get the same AC. Granted, he won't have all the situational increases to AC that the Iron Mage build does...
 

Nifft

Penguin Herder
So a Class with max Dex / Int + hide armor will have more AC than someone in plate at level 30? (+21 vs +20).

Why does that bother me?
Because you like platemail.

Would it bother you if you had put every last resource you possibly could into being agile, quick, and unhittable, and then some guy who can't dodge a ball straps on a big tin can and is suddenly harder to hit than you? (Seriously, a dude with Int 10 and Dex 8 can be within one point of the dude with Dex 30. Do you really think Plate is getting the shaft?)

Cheers, -- N
 

Ceylin

First Post
Because you like platemail.

Would it bother you if you had put every last resource you possibly could into being agile, quick, and unhittable, and then some guy who can't dodge a ball straps on a big tin can and is suddenly harder to hit than you? (Seriously, a dude with Int 10 and Dex 8 can be within one point of the dude with Dex 30. Do you really think Plate is getting the shaft?)

Cheers, -- N

Plate has a -1 speed and a -1 check compared to hide and takes 3 additional layers of proficiency to equip. Not to mention, a ranger with max Dex still boosts his best offensive stat quite considerably *while* getting the best AC. Yes, I think plate is getting the shaft.
 

Nifft

Penguin Herder
Plate has a -1 speed and a -1 check compared to hide and takes 3 additional layers of proficiency to equip.
Plate-compatible classes get some (or all) of those layers for free. Paladins, for example, get all three just for signing on to the crusade.

Cheers, -- N
 



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