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WotC puts a stop to online sales of PDFs

MadLordOfMilk

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The best reason I can imagine is so that the pirates didn't get any notice either and so didn't download one final bunch of products... but it's still not a very good reason compared to the customer anger it has caused.

Cheers!
Everything for 4e is already available (illegally) online. Even the starter set, the character sheets product, dungeon tiles, the DM screen, etc. Sure, the ones you can't buy are scans, but the point is that it's already out there.

Well, OK, I haven't seen the official PHB power cards anywhere (the ones in the character sheets thing are out there), but I don't think they were available for purchase as a PDF anyway ;)
 

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Filcher

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This is just part of WOTC's master plan to unify once again the entire RPG community. Every board I have been to tonight is unified in their outrage at WOTC, no matter what edition they play.

I stopped by RPG.net to check Jtlawyer's claim. The thread was just as long, but several times LESS vitriolic, FWIW.

It seems that regardless of whatever the hell WotC does, it is our ENworld community that loses.
 
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Treebore

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Chris Pramas just posted this on his Facebook status section...

Green Ronin values and appreciates our PDF customers and to show it we've put True20 on sale for only $9.99. RPGNow.com - Green Ronin - True20 Adventure Roleplaying, Revised Edition


I love it!

Yep, Green Ronin, Paizo, Goodman, Troll Lords, the people who do Savage Worlds, AGP, Fat Dragon, Fiery Dragon, and Malhavoc certainly know how valuable customer appreciation is to their future business.

*Sorry if I am forgetting any other good companies!
 

ProfessorCirno

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I stopped by RPG.net to check Jtlawyer's claim. The thread was just as long, but several times LESS vitriolic, FWIW.

It seems that regardless of whatever the hell WotC does, it is our ENworld community that loses.

Hahaha, are you still going on about your "WotC is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED in screwing over their fanbase" thing there?

Look, you're the only one claiming that WotC is completely in the right here. The only one. Shouldn't that be a hint?

Seriously, there's tons of people ON THIS THREAD that have defended every single other thing WotC has done. And even they are drawing teh line here.

Stop trying to claim that the greviences are because of some bizarro "OMG I MUST HATE WIZARDS" conspiracy. It's not only complete BS, but it cheapens and insults everyone around you.

Admin here. Stop. You're arguing AT someone instead of discussing their point, and that's a problem. This topic gets more interesting when people stop telling other people how they're supposed to behave, think or feel. ~ PCat
 
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Hussar

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That's not how the legal system works. Lawsuits aren't some magical thing that just happen and bankrupt people irrespective of the existence of something over which to sue.

Well, yes and no.

They certainly could threaten to take them to court. And, that threat might be enough to cow the pdf distributors into obeying. Heck, the distributors could have threatened to sue over breach of contract and WOTC could have simply told them to go ahead with the knowledge that they could tie things up in court for years and the complainants would go bankrupt long before any settlement was reached.

I'm not saying that either scenario happened, but, it certainly could. It really depends on whether or not the distributors wanted to burn bridges with WOTC and go public.

All this aside, I'm usually a huge apologist for WOTC. I know that. However, even I'm baffled by this. This is just out and out stupid on the face.

As a questions, could this be part of a package of moves in the face of the court cases against the pirates? Could WOTC be collecting information, or perhaps building some sort of case against the pirates in this move. I'm not really sure how, but, could the two be linked?

As in, WOTC says they are going to sue X for piracy. They then pull all their pdf's as part of that suit saying that the piracy of X is the reason for the move and thus X should be responsible for the loss of revenue that they could have had from pdf's?

Hey, this is tinfoil hat time. I have no idea. I'm just wildly speculating. Is this possible?
 


MadLordOfMilk

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Look, you're the only one claiming that WotC is completely in the right here. The only one. Shouldn't that be a hint?
Actually, also I think Wizards is completely, absolutely, 100% within their rights to cut PDF sales. Doesn't mean I think it was the wisest business decision, but as a company they're more than justified (of course if they broke a contract, that's another story, but I'm not getting into that).
 

Filcher

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Hahaha, are you still going on about your "WotC is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED in screwing over their fanbase" thing there?

Look, you're the only one claiming that WotC is completely in the right here. The only one. Shouldn't that be a hint?

Seriously, there's tons of people ON THIS THREAD that have defended every single other thing WotC has done. And even they are drawing teh line here.

Stop trying to claim that the greviences are because of some bizarro "OMG I MUST HATE WIZARDS" conspiracy. It's not only complete BS, but it cheapens and insults everyone around you.

P. Cirno, I think you've misunderstood my argument. I'm not disputing *you*, I'm disputing the conclusions you are positing. Two different things, that keep us friends in the end, while permitting intelligent dialog without resorting to full caps. It's not a popularity contest.

I maintain that, despite the backlash, Wizards was within its rights to stop selling their product.

I maintain that, despite the misdirected bile, the PDF middlemen were wrong to offer to sell something they didn't have control over (5 copies).

I maintain that everyone is angry at the wrong entity.
 

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