Knights of the Zodiac [4e](Recruiting, brainstorming)

[Theroc]

As for Dragon Shield feature, keep in mind that you can still mark enemies, and that you'll be a fist line combatant. There will be certain situations in which you know that you'll be attacked by a very powerful adversary. Heh, at least you'll survive when your comrades are dead! XD

No, I can't.

Dragon’s Watchful eye.
Every time you attack an enemy, whether the attack hits or misses, you can choose to mark that target.

Dragon’s Shield
You can use the indestructible shield of the dragon and all your offensive power to avoid incoming blows. While sustaining the stance, you gain a +2 AC and +1 to Fort and Reflexes. Additionally you can attempt to parry any physical attack, either close or ranged. Roll a basic melee attack and reduce that amount to the attacker’s roll. You can use an action point to parry an additional attack. You can’t reflect magical attacks. While in Turtle’s Shelter Stance, you can’t perform offensive actions, and you move at half your speed. Take the Shield stance takes a minor action, and you must sustain it with a minor action each round you want to keep the stance

Emphasis mine. I cannot use offensive actions, and offensive actions are how I mark. Therefore, I cannot contribute to the group in any way(while in this stance), (Unless of course you CHOOSE to have the enemies attack me even though I'm doing nothing to encourage it.)

 

[Voda Vosa]

But you can attack, then use your shield. It takes a minor. So: standard: attack and mark, minor: use shield.

 

[Theroc]

But you can attack, then use your shield. It takes a minor. So: standard: attack and mark, minor: use shield.

Then... couldn't I keep that effect running EVERY round, by activating it after I attack EVERY round? I'd simply move more slowly, depending how I arrange my actions.

 

[Voda Vosa]

Depends on what you use your minor to.

 

[Theroc]

Alright, so 25 point buy, no starting money(so, do we just choose what weapon we want our damage/proficiency/abilities modelled after?)

Also, what sources are allowed? Anything in the Character builder?

 

[Voda Vosa]

Yes, any feat that you see there and can use with these classes should be fine. For weapons I'm afraid I have already set your melee damage, and added the high critic property. I did that in order to balance the classes a bit. I don't know if I've made it right.

On Dragon's shield: If you attack and use the power, you will not be able to parry, just get the bonus to defense. You need a standard to parry attacks, so that's another side of it. To fully use the capacity you must spend the standard to parry, or spend an AP to do so. Quite tactical I think =)

 

[Theroc]

Yes, any feat that you see there and can use with these classes should be fine. For weapons I'm afraid I have already set your melee damage, and added the high critic property. I did that in order to balance the classes a bit. I don't know if I've made it right.

Well, my confusion was I know of one handed weapons comparable to a longsword which does 1d10 damage. Also, does the Dragon Knight actually carry a shield around and no weapon?

So, what is the proficiency rating for our unarmed attacks? You've confused me, as at first it seemed you were going along with my idea of treating the attacks as [W], and now you're turning around and saying you've set my damage and added high crit. The problem of course being it throws off the variety for the meleebased classes.

I would not be able to choose feats such as "Heavy Blade opportunity" for opportunity attack bonuses, because my attack has no defined type for the purposes of those mechanics and feats. So, it is effectively limiting the types of feats we can choose. Just clarifying so I know what I'm getting into, lol.

 

[Voda Vosa]

I think an image is worth 1000 words. With you, Shiryu, Knight of the Dragon

Hmm what you say makes sense. I didn't understood you fully, my mistake. So what you propose is to have weapons, but skin them as unarmed attacks for the purspose of feats and suche? For examlpe, you choose a scimitar, so your attacks are 1d8 with high critic s and you can choose heavy blade feats? Sounds like a plan, if that's the idea.

 

[Theroc]

Hmm what you say makes sense. I didn't understood you fully, my mistake. So what you propose is to have weapons, but skin them as unarmed attacks for the purspose of feats and suche? For examlpe, you choose a scimitar, so your attacks are 1d8 with high critic s and you can choose heavy blade feats? Sounds like a plan, if that's the idea.

Yes, that's exactly what I am proposing. It minimizes balance concerns on the part of houseruling, and allows the players to keep the same 'variety' they had before.

Also, I don't mean to sound rude, but Shiryu looks kinda silly without a weapon in that picture, but that's probably just my aesthetic talking, being used to seeing a heavily armored guy fight with weapon and shield, or a large weapon, or just not use a shield.

 

[Voda Vosa]

Yes, but take in consideration that these guys can breake mountains with their fists. What do you need a weapon for in that case? As I say, non the less, there are knights who use weapons.