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Gaming/hobby scares outside America

Klaus

First Post
Only 9 years ago? Wow, that seems so recent! Besides the government's rating system, are there still any effects for roleplayers because of it?

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@DiamondCross - Were you in the UK, US or somewhere else? I remember well those little pamphlets here in the southern US-- but I never gave up my books! ;) I wish I still had the pamphlets, though.

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These are really interesting insights. Thanks! Any other places with gaming scares-- TRPGs, but also CRPGs, gambling, etc?

I'm a little curious about Asia, partly because I've heard several stories about game addiction in the context of CRPGs in China, and government attempts to combat that. I guess I'm curious if it's viewed as a moral problem, as the TRPG scares in the west largely were, or if it's more of a public health issue.
These days? Guess not, but Devir (the local publisher for D&D, Vampire, Gurps, Shadowrun, etc) has to submit all RPG books to the government for rating, and keeps an eye out for bad press towards RPGs.

Y'see, D&D by itself wouldn't raise an eyebrow in Brazil. The D&D cartoon is still aired sporadically on the country's major network, always with decent ratings.
 

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jonesy

A Wicked Kendragon
Someone here mentioned the Escapist. I hadn't heard of it before, so decided to check it out. They apparently have an archive of some of the news stories. Looks to be mostly US, but the Swedish incidents are there:

The Escapist - Archives

Edit: wait, what? D&D is banned in Wisconsin prisons because it promotes violence? In 2010? WTF.
 
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Starfox

Hero
So it was effectively a political issue to them? Wow, I was understanding the whole thing completely wrong, then. I was assuming it was largely religion-driven, I suppose because the religious roots on America mostly lie in northern Europe. Seriously: Grimtooth's? Power Rangers? "Roots"?:confused:?? Yes, it's now quite clear why it didn't gain much traction after the initial media circus.

Most of our really religious people emigrated to the US; that crop is still recovering over here. We still have them, but they are a very minor cultural influence.

What is surprising about Didi and crew (I didn't want to name and shame before) is not that they exist, but that they managed to get any publicity at all. Tells you something about our evening press.
 

Maggan

Writer for CY_BORG, Forbidden Lands and Dragonbane
Ah, I understand now. I thought you and Oldtimer were talking about two different incidents, aside from the Kult issue.

There were a few early calls during the late 80's, from media decrying the demon worshipping game. Those originated from an organisation called Home and School, who were antagonistic towards rpgs, and wanted to get the media on the bandwagon. Didn't go far though.

After that, one kid committed suicide, ostensibly dressed as a ninja, and he also played rpgs, so the media had a run with that story as well. Turned out the kid had other issues as well, and it didn't really go anywhere. Can't remember when this was, maybe late 80's early 90's.

For me personally, the one that hit home was the murder of a boy in Bjuv. he was killed by two "friends" of the same age, and somehow Mutant Chronicles the RPG was blamed. As I wrote MC, this disturbed me but later it became apparent that there was no connection. Still, it featured in the rhetoric of those opposed to rpgs for a while. That was in 1994.

Then there was this book, "The Army of the Abandoned". It is a masterpiece of conspiracy theories, disjointed imaginations, liberal interpretations of facts sprinkled with legions of ad hominems. The authors were unfortunately chosen as experts on rpgs by the aforementioned Home and school and did some lecturing on the evils of gaming. After the book, not many could take them seriously. Their main thesis was that gamers were a covert paramilitary organisation, planning to take over the country, and using the games as a pretext to train for the day of the revolution. And all this was financed and backed by the commercial game producers. That was in 1997.

A few years later I found my name in an article about the evils of rpgs featured in "Polis", the magazine for the Swedish police force. It wasn't that harsh, but it wasn't very positive either. I was mentioned for my work on Kult, together with the two creators (Petersén and Jonsson). Can't remember when that was, but I do remember a police chief up north trying to pin everything he could on rpgs at about the same time.

The most recent scare was the tragic murder of a guy associated with live Vampire gaming. That was nauseous, after his severed head was found the tabloids pinned his murder on the live gaming scene, and made a mockup of a picture of the guy in a Hammer horror Dracula suit. They ran with that for about a week, before it was revealed that the guy was murdered by two drugged up drug dealers while buying some dope from them. They panicked and dismembered the body. Tragic and nothing at all to do with rpgs, even though the media did its best to make it so. That was in early 2000.

After that incident, it seems as if media realised that they look like morons if they try to pin gruesome stuff on rpgs, given that most of us are meek guys spending a lot of time at home with friends playing imaginary heroes. I haven't read a good rpg scare for a while.

Unless we count World of Warcraft as an rpg, that is.

/M
 

Maggan

Writer for CY_BORG, Forbidden Lands and Dragonbane
Did a quick google for their names, and found one article where they wrote how toys twisted the gender awareness of preschoolers, how "The Mighty Morphing Power Rangers" made these children use deadly karate chops on each others (it was said that an unnamed girl in Norway may have been killed!), and how the Alex Haley "Roots" TV series got them to enslave each others. These were dire incidents, for which the cure needed to be an Authorized Drama Pedagogue!

The most interesting thing with Didi and Bjorn was that they never had any evidence, they never had any clear connections, they never had any substance.

Their entire case was based on "x is y, so it isn't a stretch to surmise that x may have been the influence of <insert bad thing here>". And then they argued as if their flimsy premise was assertive truth.

Interesting, and most frustrating.

/M
 

Shades of Green

First Post
As far as I know, Israel had no real gaming scare.

However, there IS quite a common prejudice about gaming. Specifically, many mental-health professionals I've talked to think of table-top RPGs in either a neutral or positive way; however, they think that LARPs are played by people with mental issues who can't separate reality from fiction. This is quite strange as I don't think that many mental health professionals think anything negative about improvisation theater, which is, in essence, almost the same as LARPs.

This prejudice has also reached the IDF (Israel's military). They reduce the profile scores of recruits who confess to play LARPs due to 'mental reasons'. This has led to the common misconception abroad that "the Israeli military does not recruits RPGers", which is completely incorrect in any case but LARPers.
 


Jhaelen

First Post
I remember D&D having a bad reputation here in Germany when I started playing in the eighties. In particular I remember a radio show that took great care to misrepresent roleplaying as something that encouraged, well, "killing and looting".

Much later there was some hubbubb about Vampire live action games. Apparently, some players thought it was cool to use real props _and_ forgot to inform the authorities what they were doing and where.

But it's never been as big a scare as, e.g. 'death metal' music or ego shooters. Both enjoy great popularity as convenient 'explanations' whenever teenagers or young adults decide to run amok.
 

jonesy

A Wicked Kendragon
Much later there was some hubbubb about Vampire live action games. Apparently, some players thought it was cool to use real props _and_ forgot to inform the authorities what they were doing and where.
That reminds me of an incident that happened here in late 90's. A group of LARPers were playing in a forest near a military base, and stumbled upon a lone military police. They had fake weapons and for some inexplicable reason started waving them at him. One of them even fake-rushed towards him. Then they called him a fascist, and went away. What did the MP say when he was interviewed?

"I was admiring a latex weapon one of them had. I thought it looked cool, and could have used one for one of my characters. I was about to ask where he got it from when the fool decided to start running towards me. I had a real loaded assault rifle. A less seasoned MP might have reacted differently."
 

Oldtimer

Great Old One
Publisher
I thought you and Oldtimer were talking about two different incidents
I think we were, actually. The devil worship scare I talked about came around 1984-1985. Almost no one took it seriously, but I think this was the first time RPGs got some bad PR in Sweden.
 

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