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No Character Builder Update

Aegeri

First Post
I am not angry about Wizards failing to provide an update - I am merely disappointed. I am annoyed that my monies this month isn't going to what I need most - especially for my IRL game in terms of the CB (as they don't get the books like I do). I don't have to pay monthly to not get what I want, I can pay once every 2-3 months if Wizards is going to do this and get the same overall benefit. I pay monthly for monthly updates: Not for bi-monthly and similar.

Given how much they are slipping on the publishing of things, this is not a good sign for the future.
 

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Jhaelen

First Post
My subscription is for the updates. That's what I'm paying for. Granted, I get the magazines on top of that, but I'm not subscribing for those...
Of course you are! Your subscription isn't 'special' in any way. Currently, there's only one kind of subscription. It's all or nothing.
I don't care about the EULA. In fact, here's my EULA (it's pretty simple): give me the content I want when I pay for it, or you lose me as a customer.
Well, I'd love to comment on that the way it deserves, but it would probably result in an admin taking action, so I'll refrain, except for this bit of insight from my job experience:

Sometimes, it's ultimately better for a company to lose a certain kind of customers.
 


P1NBACK

Banned
Banned
Of course you are! Your subscription isn't 'special' in any way.

Sure it is. It's special to me, because it's my money I'm paying.

Sometimes, it's ultimately better for a company to lose a certain kind of customers.

You think so? A certain kind of customer? Like, say one who's been an annual subscriber since the beginning of D&D Insider? You know, the dedicated kind.

Gimme a break.
 

Piratecat

Sesquipedalian
Enough with the snark, guys. Jhaelen, that insult wasn't okay and you know it. Not again, please. It's okay to disagree with someone without needing to take a personal shot at them.
 

Zaran

Adventurer
I think they should hire more people. They obviously need the manpower. They can even use not being able to provide an update as an excuse to the guy in charge of hiring.

I would like to say that I didn't get that email saying the update isn't coming. Maybe they are mad at me for cancelling autorenew. I'm not raging that they will not be doing an update but I am disappointed yet again with the quality and quanity of work that has been coming from DDI.
 
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mudbunny

Community Supporter
I would like to say that I didn't get that email saying the update isn't coming. Maybe they are mad at me for cancelling autorenew. I'm not raging be they will not be doing an update but I am disappointed yet again with the quality and quanity of work that has been coming from DDI.

Silly question (and not trying to be patronizing), but do you have the settings right to get them to send you emails? Some people who thought they had set them to "yes, send email" actually had them at no.

In any case, WotC *is* aware that some people who had it set to yes didn't get the emails, and they are trying to figure out why and what they can do to overcome it.

**edit to add - Also, some people have found their Spam filters eating the emails.**
 
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Njall

Explorer
You seem to be lumping me in with the group that is calling for refunds, etc.. I'm not in that group. As I said previously I'm now annoyed that the update won't be coming at all, whereas the delay didn't bother me at all.

Actually, I'm lumping myself with the group that isn't happy about the lack of an update ;)
Still, I'm not going to complain loudly about something that I'm not entitled to.
As I said, they said upfront ( in the EULA... and whether you guys like it or not, that's what they're going to stick to: they're not selling you the updates, they're selling you access to DDI, the updates are pretty much a free perk that comes with DDI. It doesn't matter that it's the main selling point for you, it's not what WotC is selling, and they were pretty upfront about it ) that they might screw up sooner or later, they told us that this month's scheduled update would have been delayed, and now they told us in advance that the update was cancelled.
Sometimes, things go wrong in software development. What do you expect, that they come begging us not to unsubscribe because they ended up skipping a monthly update ( something that was probably taken in account when they wrote the EULA that we signed and, hopefully, read )?

@ Ourchair: I'm aware that most EULAs amount to "we promise nothing". On the other hand, if I stipulate some kind of agreement with someone else, and I add "I promise nothing about delivering X each month, though...", and the other part agrees, I expect that he's not going to be mad at me if I'm not able to to deliver whatever X may be for one month. YMMV, obviously.

Would it be nice if WotC came up with some sort of compensation? Sure, and I think it would display good will and good business sense.
Do I think that they have to provide some kind of compensation because they somehow tricked me into subscribing this month? Nope, I don't think so.
 

P1NBACK

Banned
Banned
...and the other part agrees, I expect that he's not going to be mad at me if I'm not able to to deliver whatever X may be for one month. YMMV, obviously...

What's all this "angry" and "mad" talk? I don't get it. No one is mad or angry. We just don't want to pay for something we aren't getting.

If the EULA says, "We don't have to update the Character Builder." Fine.

But, guess what? No update. No $$$. This kind of shenanigans is going to make me decide to not renew my annual subscription (going since the beginning) and start the method of updating once a year or whatever for $10. Now, what do you think the best course for WotC is? Try to keep the annual subscribers shelling out $$$ in advance for an entire year or not?

It's not about being mad or angry. It's about paying for something that was scheduled to happen and didn't. It's about annual subscribers (or people who subscribed for September expecting an update for Dark Sun) getting screwed.

It's about customer service and timely product.
 

Thaumaturge

Wandering. Not lost. (He/they)
I cannot help but wonder if these types of delays will affect D&D development going forward. Will the developers be restricted to design elements that play nicely with the CB and MB? I hope not, but I wonder., especially if they have to grant thousands of one month subscription credits. Thoughts?

Thaumaturge.
 

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