Star Trek is full of extremist one trick pony races

[Elf Witch]

That's why Joss Whedon has pretty much never let a couple last in his shows.

For the most part I agree with him though I really hated that he killed of Anya. I was hoping she and Xander would make it.

Sometimes it works if there is a lot of other things going on like the marriage of Peter and Elizabeth on White Collar.

 

[GSHamster]

That's why Joss Whedon has pretty much never let a couple last in his shows.

At the same time, always having her relationships blow up in flames means that the character stagnates, gets stuck in the same place and never gets to grow.

 

[Umbran]

At the same time, always having her relationships blow up in flames means that the character stagnates, gets stuck in the same place and never gets to grow.

It isn't like romantic relationships are the only avenue of character growth. At least, not for a decent writer.

And, if you go through several relationships, they probably are not going to each leave you in the same place. Well-written characters will crash and burn, and end in a different place each time.

 

[Cor Azer]

For the most part I agree with him though I really hated that he killed of Anya. I was hoping she and Xander would make it.

Sometimes it works if there is a lot of other things going on like the marriage of Peter and Elizabeth on White Collar.

For what it's worth, Emma Caulfield asked to have Anya killed off so she wouldn't be asked back for any spin-off shows; she wanted to move on to other types of roles.

 

[MarkB]

One nice thing about the most recent series of Bones is that they'd finally got the main protagonists together as a family, and it hasn't actually ruined the dynamic or stunted the character development. It can work.

 

[Elf Witch]

For what it's worth, Emma Caulfield asked to have Anya killed off so she wouldn't be asked back for any spin-off shows; she wanted to move on to other types of roles.

Bad Emma Caulfield

I know a lot of actors like to see a character they no longer want to play killed off. I guess they can't stand the dea of someone else playing it or being tempted back to a role they are no longer interested in. Though death has never stopped a character from coming back before on the series.

 

[Elf Witch]

One nice thing about the most recent series of Bones is that they'd finally got the main protagonists together as a family, and it hasn't actually ruined the dynamic or stunted the character development. It can work.

I do think they did a great job of working in the actresses real life pregnancy. And they have done a great job with Angela and Hodgins marriage.

But lets not forget the ending of this season's Bones?

The thing is that on shows like Bones the relationships are secondary to solving the mystery of the murder that week. Since it is not front and center you have more leeway.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Happily ever after is boring to watch.

That's why Joss Whedon has pretty much never let a couple last in his shows.

I disagree, if I may, Elf Witch. And this is the reason why (spoiler blocked just in case)
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Wash and Zoe in Firefly. It was wonderful to see a happily married couple who were in love - and their relationship and interactions were never boring. There were even some occasions where the story was *more* meaningful precisely because of the strength of their relationship.
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Cheers

 

[Elf Witch]

I disagree, if I may, Elf Witch. And this is the reason why (spoiler blocked just in case)
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Wash and Zoe in Firefly. It was wonderful to see a happily married couple who were in love - and their relationship and interactions were never boring. There were even some occasions where the story was *more* meaningful precisely because of the strength of their relationship.
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Cheers

Yet in the end they got a classic Joss ending.

I am not saying you can't have it look at Keiko and Miles on Trek but in their case it was not a regular feature and one of the things that was interesting was their fights over the assignments at DS9 then the baby drama.


Wash and Zoe had issues that brought drama to the show. Also we don't know what Joss would have done if they had went say seven seasons.

Look at Bones now that they worked through all the drama of getting Angela and Hodgins together the actors storyline has taken a back street. Both actors have said that they missed the personal drama.

A lot of writers will tell you that a happy couple can be the kiss of death. Because there are no real stories to write without either putting the relationship in jeopardy or bringing in the dram elsewhere.

The whole reason they broke up Kes and Nellix on Voyager was because the writers felt there was no where interesting to with them.

 

[Janx]

Nice job bringing it back to star trek.

Couples as with singles are more interesting in fiction with adversity and problems to work through