Ends justifying the means

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

i am no expert on feminism or sexism, but is this true? When i looked up the word sexist, it said it was prejudice or discrimination based on sex, or viewing someone as inferior because of their sex. I agree that can clearly include treating people differently based on their gender, but it also seems to there are issues, like domestic violence where women are the victims of male abusers, where you have to treat the situation differently than the reverse in order to address existing sexism in the culture. I am sure some guys do get battered by their women, but i doubt they are at nearly as much risk when they try to leave than women are, and i think because women still have less power in our society it makes the situation different than if it is the man being abused. On top of that, men tend to be larger than women (on average, and there are definitely plenty of exceptions) and i thinkt hey are more culturally pressured to acquire combat skills and do things like lift weights. So i think when you take the problem as a whole, you have to treat man on woman violence differently than woman on man violence.

That is actually completely wrong. Women can be just as abusive, and dangerous, as men. Furthermore, because of people like you, who think this way, cases of men being abused are severely underreported. You stigmatize abused men and they end up feeling shame because how could they explain being abused or afraid of a woman? Your way of thinking further hurts men in abusive relationships.

 

[Bedrockgames]

I never said women don't abuse men or can't be as dangerous. I am sure some men who leave their wives are at great risk but on the whole I think the situation is more dangerous for women. I am sorry but I think men hitting women is a much bigger problem and usually more serious than the reverse. Doesn't mean men should feel ashamed if they are abused but we should focus more of our resources on the former IMO, and we should emphasize that its wrong for a man to strike a woman.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

I never said women don't abuse men. I am sure some men who leave their wives are at great risk but on the whole I think the situation is more dangerous for women. I am sorry but I think men hitting women is a much bigger problem and usually more serious than the reverse. Doesn't mean men should feel ashamed if they are abused but we should focus more of our resources on the former IMO, and we should emphasize that its wrong for a man to strike a woman

I know what you said. The problem is what you think. People like you don't realize that by saying that men abusing women is worse, or should be taken more seriously, or more resources should be spent on men abusing women, you are making the situation worse for men. When a man does report abuse, it isn't taken seriously, or as serious, as when a woman reports abuse. They are not protected the same way that a woman would be. Thus they may be left in a abusive situation, which can become worse after they have tried to seek help. Furthermore, you are making it less likely that they will report any future abuse in the future because having done so in the past resulted in minimal, if any at all, punishment for the abuser.

And if you think that size or strength matters because men are bigger or stronger and thus can be more dangerous, remember, guns are a great equalizer. You get shot, it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman shooting you.

Also, abuse doesn't have to be physical for it to be abuse.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Well, we obviously just disagree.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Well, we obviously just disagree.

Obviously, but the important part is that I'm still right.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Obviously, but the important part is that I'm still right.

You can assert that all you want, but it doesn't make it so. I am happy to have a conversation with you about a topic on which we disagree. I am not going to have a heated argument online with someone who simply insists they are right.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

You can assert that all you want, but it doesn't make it so.

No, but my advanced degrees, professional experience, research experience, as well as all the other goodies I've accumulated over the years does.

I am happy to have a conversation with you about a topic on which we disagree.

We've been having a discussion; however, you appear dead set against acknowledging that giving preferential treatment to a particular group of people (women) is detrimental to another group (men). This may be due to you not wanting to contemplate the possibility that you have some sexist views.

I am not going to have a heated argument online with someone who simply insists they are right.

Why would it get heated? I am perfectly able to control my temper, aren't you?

 

[Umbran]

I think there's a clear indication that neither of you is going to be convinced by the other. So, please let it be, gents. Thank you.

 

[Kramodlog]

They didn't see it as sexist because man on woman violence is something that perpetuates sexist power structures in place. Man on man violence dosnt perpetuate those power structures though it is still bad in its own way (these are their words, not mine).

Men do not use violence to get dominance over other men?

I am sure there are also feminists out there who disagree, but something about the argument bein pg made here (that men and women are equal so we shouldnt treat men punching women differently than women punching men or men punching men) feels like it is mysogynistic juijitsi, a kind of "mens's rights" movement rhetorical tactic of throwing "equality" back in the faces of feminists.

Honestly, seeing women as more vulnerable and needing more help seems to be sexist by itself.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Men do not use violence to get dominance over other men?

yes, but that doesn't perpetuate sexist power structures (at least that is was my feminist friends reasoning)

Honestly, seeing women as more vulnerable and needing more help seems to be sexist by itself.

i am saying they disportionately affected by domestic violence from men, more impacted by it because of existing inequalities in the culture, and more likely to be victims of it because if cultural influences in our society. I am also saying that the general physical differences (both the average size and strength advantage if men and the ones that result from cultural pressures) mean we need to emphasize to men its not pkay for them to hit women.