My initial quote (BELOW) references the religion
And as I stated many many times, there isn't really one Islamic religion, as it is interpreted and applied in various ways by different sects. That pesky point you keep ignoring.
To make a comparison, Catholics do not have the same interpretation of the Bible, or exactly the same Bible, as Evangelicals. Both are Christians even if they do not have the exact same religion. Why is Islam different and homogenous according to you?
Are you saying at its RAW Islam is not inherently antagonistic to European Values?
First point: there isn't any raw Islam. It varies like Christianity, as stated above. Second point: European values vary. Abortions laws in Ireland are very restrictive, something some conservative Musims would approve of and more liberal ones would condemn. Same sex unions aren't allowed or recognized in every European country, which would please some conservative Muslims and displease more liberal ones. France has some very restrictive hate speech laws, which might please some Muslims, anger others and make a US citizen go mad. Muslims are just like Europeans, they have various opinions. Even some native Europeans oppose freedom of speech, separation of church and state, same sex unions...
But even if we say you're right, that Islam goes against European values, Christian values aren't that different from Islam and European values still happened.
I also said it is natural for people to feel threatened when a people of a different ideology begin to enter their countries en masse. I don't see what the issue with my sentence is.
Well, you keep saying there is one Muslim ideology, which isn't the case, values aren't necessarely antagonistic and they are a minority, not a mass. Since you're wrong on all counts it would mean people's fears aren't justified.
Yes this is not in dispute.
And yet just above you constest it by saying Muslims enter European countries in masses. You're holding to contradictory positions.
But at what point do the number of immigrants become too much?
What if its never? What if migrants were simple people and not a bad addition to a country?
Your information regarding the perception of people is not being contested. However actual numbers are broadcasted as to how many refugees are actually entering the countries. So that information is privy to all those 'irrational people'
The actual numbers about Muslims immigrants are easily accessable and yet people's perception are still distorted. That means people aren't informed and their fear isn't base in rationality.
Well ShadowCon could certainly use your expertise, however you might want to do a little more research as there are conflicting articles out there including that of wiki so lets just put this one on the backburner given the experts on both sides.
Better ignore info that doesn't fit the narrative. Got it.
You're confused by me saying Muslims shouldn't be feared? That explains a lot.
What? They don't need to have the same policies for them to create limitations for refugees.
Your comment about "entire European Governments" was about governments fearing the influence of Islam. Which isn't the case. At least the "entire" part.
Yeah, its not the same, different road.
Very similar one. It is about politics being dominated by fears not backed by facts and letting those fears lead to discrimination. It probably won't end in extermination camp this time around, but discrimination is growing.
Also true, however discrimination does not invalidate their fear.
Facts invalidate their fear. Facts like there is no one Islamic ideology, Muslims are a minority, they do not have a lot influence on politics and the media...
