Discovery Trailer
Ryujin
Legend
Got any friends in Winnipeg who have cable TV? it'll be showing on the Canadian SF cable channel SPACE.
Jester David
Hero
You can watch the earlier Trek shows at the same time. Marathon the best of TNG or Voyager.
Or the '60s Mission Impossible or other classic CBS shows.
Or wait until halfway through and binge over a single month.
Or buy the inevitable disc (and pay 2x as much).
But what do I know? I'm paying waaaay more right now for HBO to watch a single show.
I never got into Voyager (too bland) but I’ve been watching a few eps recently. It occurs to me that is basically an updated TOS. Single ship exploring and encountering new civilisations. They could easily have just called it the Enterprise, and ignored the “going home” metaplot mentions.
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Except that TOS is a much more interesting show. I got bored with Voyager, too. I thought it had a lot of potential but petered out in the end.
Jester David
Hero
Voyager ended up using a bunch of unproduced TNG episodes. That was it's biggest weakness IMHO. It should have been unique and done its own thing - stories that only work when you're a crew stranded halfway across the galaxy - but instead they went with generic Trek-ness.
(That said, with 140+ episodes, there are some gems and solid episodes.)
Now, I like me some generic Trek, but after seven years of TNG I was looking forward to something different. Ditto after Voyager ended: Enterprise was okay, but they could have done so much more...
I half-joked on the Modiphius forums that it'd be fun to do an alternate Voyager RPG campaign. Doing a game with limited fuel, torpedoes, food, energy, and resources. Where the ship doesn't fix itself between episodes and struggles to survive.
(That said, with 140+ episodes, there are some gems and solid episodes.)
Now, I like me some generic Trek, but after seven years of TNG I was looking forward to something different. Ditto after Voyager ended: Enterprise was okay, but they could have done so much more...
I half-joked on the Modiphius forums that it'd be fun to do an alternate Voyager RPG campaign. Doing a game with limited fuel, torpedoes, food, energy, and resources. Where the ship doesn't fix itself between episodes and struggles to survive.
Hussar
Legend
I just happened to rewatch the entire Voyager run. The first three or four seasons are pretty darn good actually. Some fantastic stuff there. The last three seasons though blow massive amounts of chunks. Just awful crap. They basically chuck out anything approaching continuity, rehash earlier stories yet again, and fail to bring anything to the table. Basically, if you watch until Kes leaves the ship and treat that episode as the series finale, you'll be a lot happier.
MarkB
Legend
Voyager always reminded me of the old Dungeons & Dragons cartoon. Every few episodes they'd find some way of possibly getting back to the old fairground, and then lose it, either through bad luck or noble choices.
For me, its main issue was that it only had two interesting characters, and they weren't enough to sustain it through the blandness of the rest of the cast.
For me, its main issue was that it only had two interesting characters, and they weren't enough to sustain it through the blandness of the rest of the cast.
Jester David
Hero
Agreed.
Kim was bland as eff. Chakotay had no personality beyond being being First Nations. Tuvok was just a cookie cutter Vulcan, basically Spock with the "science" removed and nothing added.
Nelix wasn't just annoying, but was an unsympathetic, controlling, and abusive boyfriend. Who spent his time on the ship being flagrantly culturally insensitive to Tuvok. Ass.
Voyager just approached its concept poorly. As you say, too many stories were "here's a way home... can you take it?" But, of course, we all know the attempt will fail. Because then the story will end.
Instead, the focus should have been on a Battlestar Galactica survival. They need to find resources, and survive and the how is the issue. What do they do to survive? Where do they draw the line and what hard choices do they make?
It probably would have been better served with more serialized storytelling. Stories in arcs of 2-5 as they pass through the territory of new races and then move on.
With Voyager, and all the battles they went through, we should have seen the ship more as a character--as it deteriorates more and more as the series goes on. There are no Starbases for repairs refits. The crew has to jury-rig what it can't replicate. That ship should have been held together by toothpicks and gum wrappers, MacGuyver style, at the end of its run. The hull should be discolored at the end, showing alien vessel parts grafted to the hull with a hope and a prayer.
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