OSR What Has Caused the OSR Revival?

[Tony Vargas]

Ah, you've just said "probably" which means you're actually saying that your idea about why people are dong what they do is more likely to be accurate than their self-report.

More likely than what you choose to report, for the purposes of shouting down anyone who posts something on this thread not in lock-step with your preferred narrative.

But, yes, people often self-report things of secondary importance, because the issues of primary importance are assumed or unexamined. Why would someone try an OSR game? Because they're looking for a /better/ game? Or because they're looking for an Old School game?

And, really, what's the natural way to express that you like something? "It's good." It's not a considered critique of mechanics, it's an opinion about the experience.

Why do they not immediately hurl down popular OSRthings like Veins of the Earth (and other OSR products) in disgust, considering they make absolutely no appeal or attempt to appeal to nostalgia?

VotE didn't ring any bells, so I looked it up, it's a supplement for LotFP. Which, at least, I'd heard of - LotFP, calls itself a 'twist on traditional fantasy role playing.' Not bold or new, but a twist on tradition. Not exactly Life with Master, there.
I don't see how a game that strives to cross D&D with CoC (both classics from the 80s) is exactly rejecting nostalgia.

And, well, what's your bar for 'popular' exactly? VotE has glowing reviews on Amazon, for instance - 4 glowing reviews, compared to the 5e PH with 2500.

 

[Zak S]

And, well, what's your bar for 'popular' exactly? VotE has glowing reviews on Amazon, for instance - 4 glowing reviews, compared to the 5e PH with 2500.

Answer:
It sold a lot of copies compared to other OSR products indicating it is a representative of what people into OSR like.

Can you or can you not answer the questions you were asked?:

"
you've just said "probably" which means you're actually saying that your idea about why people are dong what they do is more likely to be accurate than their self-report.

Which means they must be either lying or self-deceived.


1.Do you have any evidence of these bold claims about the contents of other folks' hearts and minds?

2. Have you ever played an OSR supplement or module?

3. Why do they not immediately hurl down popular OSRthings like Veins of the Earth (and other OSR products) in disgust, considering they make absolutely no appeal or attempt to appeal to nostalgia?
"

 

[Ancalagon]

I think that there may be many reasons someone plays a game besides the mechanics. I joined a game last November. They are using pathfinder. Is this my preferred system? No. But there are other factors (social, convenience, "good enough", something different) at play.

And yes, I *have* used OSR material.

 

[Zak S]

I think that there may be many reasons someone plays a game besides the mechanics. I joined a game last November. They are using pathfinder. Is this my preferred system? No. But there are other factors (social, convenience, "good enough", something different) at play.

And yes, I *have* used OSR material.

No problem:

Are you making the same bold claim that Tony Vargas is, that OSR folks' self-reports are wrong and that you know they "probably" want something else?

If not: ok.

If so: same question to you about evidence.

 

[Ancalagon]

No problem:

Are you making the same bold claim that Tony Vargas is, that OSR folks' self-reports are wrong and that you know they "probably" want something else?

If not: ok.

If so: same question to you about evidence.

I will make the claim that Tony's claim is not as categorical as you perceive it to be.

I will *speculate* that you perceive it that way because it makes it easier to refute, or perhaps you see the world in binary. I will also speculate that Tony may have switched to a yanking your chain mode.

Oh and mea culpa: I use OSR material in my game: a 5e Yoon Suin campaign. I also used a 2nd ed module in it too!

 

[Zak S]

I will make the claim that Tony's claim is not as categorical as you perceive it to be.

I will *speculate* that you perceive it that way because it makes it easier to refute, or perhaps you see the world in binary. I will also speculate that Tony may have switched to a yanking your chain mode.

Let him yank--so long as no gamer logs on to this page and reads misinformation that is not refuted immediately, we;re all good.

Is it your contention that Tony said something other than what he meant?

If not: what other possible meaning of "Probably they.." etc is there?

I mean, if you say " my name is Dave" and I go "It probably isn't" then what possible explanation besides "I think you're lying or self-deceived" is there?

Literally there's no other meaningful interpretation of Tony's claim.

 

[Ancalagon]

Let him yank--so long as no gamer logs on to this page and reads misinformation that is not refuted immediately, we;re all good.

Is it your contention that Tony said something other than what he meant?

If not: what other possible meaning of "Probably they.." etc is there?

I mean, if you say " my name is Dave" and I go "It probably isn't" then what possible explanation besides "I think you're lying or self-deceived" is there?

Literally there's no other meaningful interpretation of Tony's claim.

My interpretation is that his main thesis is that the quality of the mechanics (ie rules) is not the main factor behind someone liking/playing a game.

 

[Zak S]

My interpretation is that his main thesis is that the quality of the mechanics (ie rules) is not the main factor behind someone liking/playing a game.

Yes, which necessarily implies:

The many many people who like OSR play over other games in basically the same genre and cite the mechanics as why they roll old school must necessarily be lying or self-deceived.

So, again, that "black and white" and "easy to refute" interpretation matches yours precisely.

This statement being true requires everyone be wrong about their own lives and Tony be right about the lives of strangers he's never met. Or an active and widespread conspiracy covering multiple countries and thousands of people who don't even all like each other.

 

[Ancalagon]

[MENTION=57083]zac[/MENTION] S :There is a restaurant I really like. I often tell friends about it. They do African style chicken ( west African I think?) over charcoal, it's delicious. And cheap too! Very affordable. The owner is quite the character as well.

Everything I have just said is true.

But Tony might point out that there are millions of restaurants in the world, and the main factor in my choice of restaurant is how close the place is to my house.

Is Tony lying? Is he peering into my heart, implying I am deluded?

 

[Ancalagon]

Furthermore, this chicken has been eaten while playing an OSR game