D&D (2024) New One D&D Playtest Shows Us The New Druid & Paladin

WotC has released the fourth One D&D playtest document. This 29-page PDF includes the druid and the paladin with Circle of the Moon and Oath of Devotion subclasses.

Druid. The Druid class and Circle of the Moon subclass are ready for playtesting here.

Paladin. The Paladin class and Oath of Devotion subclass are ready for playtesting here.

Feats. Several revised feats appear here for your feedback, with more revised feats coming in future articles.

Spells. More spells are ready for playtesting, with a focus on smite spells, Find Familiar, and Find Steed.

Rules Glossary. The rules glossary has been updated again and supersedes the glossary in previous Unearthed Arcana articles. In this document, any underlined term in the body text appears in that glossary, which defines game terms that have been clarified or redefined for this playtest or that don’t appear in the 2014 Player’s Handbook.

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[UngeheuerLich]

That's how I read it was anyway.

I assume, that was the way most people read it on inital reading, including the proof reader...
as a teacher, I know what I speak of. If you design an excercise, and you know exactly what it means, you make the dumbest mistakes by omission once in a while. Usually, because you restructured the sentence over and over again to make it read more clearly :/...

 

[Micah Sweet]

Well, all I want to say is a lot of people (on this thread alone) don't agree with you.

Which in no way makes their opinion any less valid.

 

[Weiley31]

like what? I don't remember many if any varriant druids in 2e?

I DO remember being told that skills and powers, spells and magic, and combat and tactics mixed with the revised (black border) phb was 3e (and this is before wotc bought the game)... and when I asked how hard it is to just use the point buy to rebuild wizard or fighter (or what ever) I was told there was no reason to try...

Maybe not in 2E, but 3.0/3.5 had the Paladin of Tyranny, Paladin of Slaughter, and Paladin of Freedom.

 

[Xamnam]

I honestly assume that was an error and should be "at least equals"...
Otherwise it would probably be "roll a d4. On a 4 you don´t exend the spell".

I bet you five copper pieces, assuming this boon survives the play test, it's roll spell level and not roll over.

It's a bit of silly nonsense, but it's fun, dice rolling silly nonsense.

 

[Minigiant]

like what? I don't remember many if any varriant druids in 2e?

I DO remember being told that skills and powers, spells and magic, and combat and tactics mixed with the revised (black border) phb was 3e (and this is before wotc bought the game)... and when I asked how hard it is to just use the point buy to rebuild wizard or fighter (or what ever) I was told there was no reason to try...

4e had 2 versions of druids that technically could be in the same party.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I assume, that was the way most people read it on inital reading, including the proof reader...
as a teacher, I know what I speak of. If you design an excercise, and you know exactly what it means, you make the dumbest mistakes by omission once in a while. Usually, because you restructured the sentence over and over again to make it read more clearly :/...

we should all (atleast most since we DM) know the flaw of "I know the answer, so I think it's simple... but those that didn't know find it hard"

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Maybe not in 2E, but 3.0/3.5 had the Paladin of Tyranny, Paladin of Slaughter, and Paladin of Freedom.

okay... and they were named _ of _ to separate them from being just ___

 

[GMforPowergamers]

4e had 2 versions of druids that technically could be in the same party.

okay... now you are making me feel old... 4e is 'the old days'... damn, I thought we tended to be in our 40's and 50's or more on this site...

 

[Minigiant]

About what?

I mean, it's quite possible for "a lot of people" to be wrong. It happens literally every day! More often someone claims "a lot" of people think something but it isn't true, or their views are more diverse and nuanced than they are being presented as.

The Druid design is just clumsy, lazy, and unevocative. It's also impossible to rationally or reasonably argue that this isn't the first time we've seen a class massively nerfed in 5E/1D&D. This is a gigantic nerf to the power of Druids, especially as the Primal spell list remains complete junk next to Arcane or Divine, like a whole tier down in power.

I mean, to be clear - if 5E Druids are still allowed and compatible with 1D&D, then I don't really see anyone much picking the 1D&D Druid. Particularly not people who actually like wildshape (including non-Moon Druids). A 5E Druid w/Tashas is basically objectively superior to this guy - and they're far from the strongest class in 5E!

And disagreeing that the Paladin is mechanically solid? That seems like actively wanting to be wrong lol. Do you like the new Paladin class lore?

The Druid needs simplification and nerfs.

But the playtest druid is lame.

It more or less feels like something designed for a skeleton that a veteran DM would make TONS of exceptions for. Classic 5e.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

The Druid need simplification and nerfs.

But the playtest druid is lame.

I"m not willing to say it's lame, but I do feel it is missing some stuff...