D&D 5E High-level no-save spells in practice

[Marlberg]

Somebody obviously knows who Hap the barbarian and Glirindree are.

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I still want The Warlock's Wheel

 

[Bacon Bits]

Sure Forcecage is powerful, but it's nothing compared to Raise Thread.

 

[ad_hoc]

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[Mort]

Sure Forcecage is powerful, but it's nothing compared to Raise Thread.

Actually he needed a Resurrection for this one!

Raise dead (thread) only works for 10 days or less, this thread's been gone for 8 years.

Powerful thread necromancy!

 

[nevin]

Yes for Forcecage. It renderer a C16 creature with no ranged attacks useless. It's fairly limited use per day so I don't consider it too bad, however yes it could ruin your Dragon fight.

If you the DM started ruling arbitrarily what could and couldn't fit inside a Force Cage, instead of using the standard square system, I'd quit your game. The whole reason 3e moved to a standard system in the first place is to prevent these kinds of discrepancies and arguments. It's back to cops and robbers "I shoot you! No you didn't! Yee I did!".

The other high spell I've seen user that isn't a save, but rather an ability check, is Maze. Pretty powerful. My group used it to Maze a Balor while they all buffed up.

Otto's Dance is another. Seen it once, generally its range is too short to be useful all the time.

When your casting DC gets high (17-18) even spells with saves (hold person, hold monster) become deadly as well. A CR20 Fighter without legendary resistances for example, doesn't have a hope in hell of breaking out of a Hold Person at DC19.

this. if you get your DC high enough lower level spells are nearly always a better bang for the buck.

 

[the Jester]

Then since we're ignoring grids completely and using our imagination, I'm guessing that your players can poke their heads out of fog clouds and attack, gaining +5 cover?

That's just reflavoring splitting your movement up around your attack.

 

[Mort]

this. if you get your DC high enough lower level spells are nearly always a better bang for the buck.

I have to watch the dates.

I saw the response you quoted and was about to respond to a specific aspect of it (from the poster you quoted) - but then saw that poster hasn't posted on this board since 2021!

 

[James Gasik]

I think this is very much attuned with the spirit of Legendary Saves actually (and thus a very good house rule)... Legendary Saves are not meant to be mere balancing factors in a monster's design, but instead they are meant exactly to avoid the case when an encounter is supposed to be amazing (usually implying it's not over too quickly) but is trivialized by a single event.

If that's so, why can't you "legendary resistance" a critical hit from a Rogue or Paladin?

 

[Li Shenron]

If that's so, why can't you "legendary resistance" a critical hit from a Rogue or Paladin?

Ask WotC.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

If that's so, why can't you "legendary resistance" a critical hit from a Rogue or Paladin?

Okay, this is an 8 year necro, but my players defeated a BBEG by the divination wizard giving a nat-20 to the paladin with max smite. Something they had cooked up earlier without me knowing, and bypassing the McGuffin I had provided them with.