D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[bedir than]

No that's not true. All the old agreements are still in force with relation to each seperate movie or tv series per season.

What did I say was untrue?

Your follow on statements talk about writers making money from streaming and the justification for the strike. But I wasn't talking about the strike except for the fact that show production has stopped.

People are still watching movies and shows. They'll watch things they have not yet watched, because there's less new coming out. You're suggesting that's untrue?

 

[S'mon]

I don't know what they paid for it. they may not have paid anything. It could be Hollywood paid them a few million for rights to make the movie. I

I thought it was co-made by Hasbro's in house movie studio who they then sold off?

 

[Zardnaar]

The linked Variety story doesn't say this.
Why make this unfactual claim?

They reported it as needing to make money on streaming.

That's a box office flop. You provided the marketing budget numbers and even if we nitpick over % no amount of Hollywood accounting can hide that it's box office take was less than it's production and marketing costs.

The only reason it's not being called a bomb was it made more than it's production costs by 50 odd million.

That's a flop it's been reported as a box office flop and it's not even clear that streaming will save it. At best it might make a small profit eventually.

5/6 summer blockbusters have also flopped/underperformed last month or so. Some might eventually make money via streaming but when you're dropping 200+ million on a movie.......

As I said it's very unlikely it will get a sequel and wouldn't be surprised if it kills the D&D movie brand for theatrical releases for another 20 years.

Maybe animated be a better idea.

 

[mamba]

The takeaway might well be that most movies in the 100-200M range are too expensive to make money and Hollywood will have to find a way to make cheaper movies

 

[Zardnaar]

The takeaway might well be that most movies in the 100-200M range are too expensive to make money and Hollywood will have to find a way to make cheaper movies

Like the 80's when they made original movies.

Cold sweats for Hollywood time. Writing original material.

I read elsewhere apparently there's 9 superhero movies this year.

Adjusted for inflation slot of those 100-200 million dollar movies are cheaper than 15 odd years ago it's the 200-300+ million ones that are a bit absurd.

 

[nevin]

What did I say was untrue?

Your follow on statements talk about writers making money from streaming and the justification for the strike. But I wasn't talking about the strike except for the fact that show production has stopped.

People are still watching movies and shows. They'll watch things they have not yet watched, because there's less new coming out. You're suggesting that's untrue?

yeah I went all over the place. What's wrong is the winners will be the ones that transition back to Ads and mostly do away with low cost premium accounts. Paramount+ is the only streaming service that is close to the profit margin the studio that launched them wanted. Because they did it by having most of their accounts as free Ad supported and they make thier money by old school 1970's style ads.

Hollywood is trying to integrate everything into the corporate structure. Also trying to get back to the good old days of if you watch it, you watch ads. Disney has publicly stated via their Chairman that they want most people off of premium service and on add supported cheaper accounts because they will be far more profitable if enough eyballs are on the cheaper accounts. Problem is they haven't been able to sell it to the consumer. The streaming industry has run like a startup, high spend low profit and in some cases no profit, now they have debt, low profit margins, they are cutting into the high profit struff like New Movies, and suddenly everyone wants to have a streaming service because revenues are down. At lest half of the streaming services have to die or be absorbed. Premium Accounts have to become very expensive and viewers need to get used to a more old school 70's release schedule and quit demanding High budget episodic content or after the streaming industry consolidates we may see some studio's and other big players fade away like Blockbuster.

The trillion dollar question is will enough consumers go back to ads?

 

[mamba]

Adjusted for inflation slot of those 100-200 million dollar movies are cheaper than 15 odd years ago it's the 200-300+ million ones that are a bit absurd.

maybe I underestimate how many exceed 200. I was thinking of those as a handful of planned summer blockbusters, they can still fail but they are few and far between, while the 100-200 range is ‘most’ movies these days, and that might not be sustainable

 

[Zardnaar]

maybe I underestimate how many exceed 200. I was thinking of those as a handful of planned summer blockbusters, they can still fail but they are few and far between, while the 100-200 range is ‘most’ movies these days, and that might not be sustainable

They released 7 of them back to back (Fast X, TLM, Flash, Spiderman, Transformers, Elementals, Indiana Jones).

Only Spidernan has been a clear hit and it was the cheapest.

John Wick made around double HAT cost 100 vs 150 million. Fast X was 350 million apparently.

 

[nevin]

2022 and 2023 was a bloodbath for hollywood. There were some successes but a Lot of flops. People just aren't spending as much money as they used to. Probably a sign of that inevitable recession chugging up over the hill.

 

[mamba]

2022 and 2023 was a bloodbath for hollywood. There were some successes but a Lot of flops. People just aren't spending as much money as they used to. Probably a sign of that inevitable recession chugging up over the hill.

yeah, I am sure Covid had nothing to do with it