Whistle blower says non-human bodies recovered from crash

[Ryujin]

What is a SCIF? aside from that it makes me more suspicious that someone is running an information campaign but to what end?

Sorry, I added the explanation up-thread, in an edit.

"A term that they reference several times, SCIF, stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility."

In other words, a secure room.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Sorry, I added the explanation up-thread, in an edit.

"A term that they reference several times, SCIF, stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility."

In other words, a secure room.

Thanks for the clarification.
What will be really interesting to keep an eye on would be a federally funded visible light sky observation program from NASA or NOAA in the next couple of years.

 

[CleverNickName]

 

[billd91]

That would be the folks giving him a platform, I think, not the person spouting the claims.

So, yeah, weird distraction play. And add on more conspiracy theory fuel that the federal government, sorry DEEP STATE, is deceiving the 'Murican public.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

What is a SCIF? aside from that it makes me more suspicious that someone is running an information campaign but to what end?

Sensitive compartmented information facility - Wikipedia

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A very standard area in government facilities designed to prevent top secret info from leaking out.

 

[Reynard]

Sensitive compartmented information facility - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A very standard area in government facilities designed to prevent top secret info from leaking out.

So, not the white house.

 

[MGibster]

Panspermia! A word that sounds really dirty, but isn't!

Not with that attitude it's not. I don't know if anyone's considered that Mars needs women, so of course they come to the one place that has produced the most Miss Universe winners.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Late to the discussion, it seems to me the evidence offer is meager compared to the claims made.

And "non-human bodies" is a particulary wishy-washy expression. A dead cat is a non-human body.

And moving the story explanation from "maybe it wasn'T aliens, maybe they were dimensional travelers" doesn't make the claim more plausible. We can't travel interstellar distances now, not even without requiring faster-than-light travel, and even less do we have a clue how to travel beyond our spacetime into "some other dimensions".
I guess it would explain one thing - why there is no evidence that we had technological leaps that couldn't be explained without an external source. Because it would be as if an F-22 crashed in the stone age. Humans would have no idea what they're dealing with, the best thing we'd manage to get from that wreck is probably better spear and arrow-tips. (Unless an F22 is made only from carbon-composites or something, not sure what you make from that?)

There is a bit of a difference here. He is saying he can't tell them in an unclassified hearing. He also told them this under oath. Whether he is right about what he saw is entirely debatable, but it isn't like he's just the "Aliens" meme guy. There are very real consequences if he is just blowing smoke.

How much risk is there really? At what point can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that he lied, if he did? Does he listen the people that he has his information from? Does he listen the locations the wrecks or non-human bodies were stored? Does he offer anything that can be verified by an investigation?

I mostly agree where I think it breaks down is if; it is possible to live in space habitats by extracting base materials and energy requirements from the easily available materials in asteroids and cometary cores. While I agree that this is a big if, I am also not aware of any real showstoppers in the current science.

I think the problem for interstellar travel is deep space beyond the Oort Cloud. It has a really low density, so you might need to bring everything you need along for the ride to the next star system.

So, what is the smallest ecosystem you can build that can support human life for likely centuries?

We unfortunately have only one ecosystem available to us, that wasn't build, and it has supported human life for the last hundreds of thousands of years. It's really difficult to make guesstimates if you have a sample of one. We had experiments with stuff like Biosphere 2 that showed us the limits of what we can do now, but the experiment did only last long enough for us to show some of the pitfalls. And our "experiments" with Earth show that we can still damage our ecosystem to degrees that we aren't certain we can fix and what the fallout will be (ugly almost certainly, but just "mass migration + maybe some resource wars"-ugly, or is it "naughty word everything we need to survive is dying off".

 

[Ryujin]

Non-human biologics and non-terrestrial.

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[UngainlyTitan]

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I think the problem for interstellar travel is deep space beyond the Oort Cloud. It has a really low density, so you might need to bring everything you need along for the ride to the next star system.

I think you are not reading what I have written. Star systems as the orbit the galaxy pass near each other. Sometimes, they even interpenetrate. The Oort Cloud is between 0.03 and .08 light years away from the Sun. There are likely eccentrically orbiting comets that go out farther.

So, what is the smallest ecosystem you can build that can support human life for likely centuries?

A quick google search suggests that the sun gets within a light year of another star every 500k years or so, that would put the neighbouring Oort Clouds within 0.84 lightyears of each other.
30 to 40 years at 2% lightspeed or so. That would seem doable.

We unfortunately have only one ecosystem available to us, that wasn't build, and it has supported human life for the last hundreds of thousands of years. It's really difficult to make guesstimates if you have a sample of one. We had experiments with stuff like Biosphere 2 that showed us the limits of what we can do now, but the experiment did only last long enough for us to show some of the pitfalls. And our "experiments" with Earth show that we can still damage our ecosystem to degrees that we aren't certain we can fix and what the fallout will be (ugly almost certainly, but just "mass migration + maybe some resource wars"-ugly, or is it "naughty word everything we need to survive is dying off".

This ignores the base hypothecital that the premise is based on. That a civilization can exist pretty much indefinitely in the Oort Cloud of a star system.
I do not know that we can create viable space habitats. I do not see any reason they cannot be built but I will concede that the engineering is unknown and some of the associated life science is currently unknown.
My thesis is that given the proposition that we: can build space habitats, colonise the Oort Cloud and do so over a period of mega years then colonisation of the habitable zone of the galaxy should follow over a period of a billion years or so.