D&D 5E Tedium for balance. Should we balance powerful effects with bookkeeping?

[MichaelSomething]

Regardless though, the gameplay loop that should be rewarded is the one that is the most enjoyable. You can certainly do a lot of logistics to play a good Outlaw rogue in WoW, having to balance 2 buffs that constnatly drop off and multiple cooldowns.... Or, y'know. Save yourself the RSI and just play Fury Warrior for much less management, much simpler playstyle, and only needing to worry about two buffs.

Equally so from a DM perspective, if one class in the game requires you and a player to have to keep track of so much nonsense and no other class does, it kind of forces you to have to pay more attention to that one player and that's not going to go down great with other players, yet alone the fact, as a DM, there's already so much else you do have to keep track of seperate. And now due to one person picking the nonsense class stuff just doubled for you.. I gotta say in the same situation I'd probably be aiming to just ban the class. Folks ban flying races for less, after all

That's exactly the type of thinking that lead to 4th Edition. Do you want another 4th Edition???

 

[W'rkncacnter]

That's exactly the type of thinking that lead to 4th Edition. Do you want another 4th Edition???

 

[Mecheon]

That's exactly the type of thinking that lead to 4th Edition. Do you want another 4th Edition???

Don't threaten me with a good time

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Nothing, I hope.

So, how exactly does this act as a way to put limits on disproportionate power, then?

 

[Umbran]

"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."

Pithy, but not really accurate.

You have professional tacticians, and professional logisticians. Both are necessary.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Is that really highly skilled, though? Like. I am skilled at video games. I hold three world records. My skill doesn't come from counting what I have, it comes from the execution of how to play it, my experience playing it, my knowledge of how to handle bad situations and compensate on the fly

And as D&D is a Tabletop Role Playing Game, then I'm of the opinion Role Playing should be the thing that's rewarded. Not bookkeeping. We're here to roll dice and have our characters go on adventures, not book up Excel and go through spreadsheets. All this minutia and busywork is just getting away from the real meat of the game and it involves rules that people have ignored for years because it took away from the aspects people enjoyed, and didn't bring enough to add in. Making it strong to deal with is just, making people engage with it for strength alone and not enjoyment. Why bother?

I disagree strongly that it should be rewarded that high or be more than a personal choice. Some people like the absolute nose to the grindstone hardness of RLCraft or the like, where Minecraft's whole 'punch trees' start is instead completely removed, but others of us would instead like to play the game and not have to worry about a 600 hp dragon descending from the sky 5 minutes into playing because no limit was placed on where the Ice and Fire dragons could spawn and those things have a targetting range as high as the map is wide and will just instantly obliterate you from off-screen. The end result of using it or not is the same, its just one path leads to "Strip-mining the nether for cobalt to make Ardite" a bit faster

Its all part of the game, and different people find fun in different places. You're welcome to not like it, but referring only to in-the-field adventuring as "playing the game" is rather dismissive.

 

[nevin]

It was never a week of downtime. The cleric would have them full in a day or two. You're not waiting on the fighter's hp to recover, you're waiting for the cleric's spell slots to recover.

a week a day, two days, whatever. Still not a video game.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Dungeons & Dragons: the World's Most Popular Game of Resource Management (tm). Not sure it has the same ring to it.

Without research management, the rest of the game loses a lot of its meaning to me, and the imaginary world starts to feel a lot more fake.

 

[nevin]

"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."

logistics is merely mass organiation can we get back to the game now.......

 

[Micah Sweet]

Pithy, but not really accurate.

You have professional tacticians, and professional logisticians. Both are necessary.

This was clearly a response to the idea that logistics aren't.