The PHB says, "You feint, distract the target, or in some other way team up to make your ally's attack more effective." When you use the conjunction "or", any of the three options are possible. It is not a connected sequence.
-
The VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
D&D 5E Treantmonk's Guide to Wizards 5e
- Thread starter Treantmonklvl20
- Start date
The PHB says, "You feint, distract the target, or in some other way team up to make your ally's attack more effective." When you use the conjunction "or", any of the three options are possible. It is not a connected sequence.
Just saw the SCAG review for the first time today. Good stuff.
Wanted to point out that EK's class feature is called War Magic. You called it War Caster once. Also, you suggest a few times that an EK can still get in "extra attacks" with War Magic, but it only allows for one extra weapon attack (BA for TWF I suppose, but not for a GWF). So a pure EK is giving up one or two extra attacks at high level to get off the cantrip/attack option. Excellent lvl 7-10, an option at lvl 11-19, weak if you've gone pure EK to 20 and are giving up three extra attacks for the cantrip.
Obviously the above changes if the EK is dipping bladesinger, as they're more likely building dual rapiers.
Wanted to point out that EK's class feature is called War Magic. You called it War Caster once. Also, you suggest a few times that an EK can still get in "extra attacks" with War Magic, but it only allows for one extra weapon attack (BA for TWF I suppose, but not for a GWF). So a pure EK is giving up one or two extra attacks at high level to get off the cantrip/attack option. Excellent lvl 7-10, an option at lvl 11-19, weak if you've gone pure EK to 20 and are giving up three extra attacks for the cantrip.
Obviously the above changes if the EK is dipping bladesinger, as they're more likely building dual rapiers.
The melee cantrips in the SCAG are good for the Eldritch Knight. He can get in a melee attack and a melee attack with a cantrip.
You're absolutely right... The math in my head was telling me the cantrip wouldn't stack up against extra attacks at higher levels, but real math told me otherwise. For anyone interested... some quick math assuming Human EK 20, Warcaster lvl 1, Great Weapon Master lvl 4. Nothing else to over-complicate. Attacks, GWM, and Green-Flame Blade considered. Red indicates winner within GWM choice so as not to compare to-hit differences. With the exception of a few levels, the cantrip wins.
You'll of course have subtle other considerations... This assumes GFB has a secondary target. Using GFB lumps more of your damage into one attack role, meaning it will be less useful against hordes, and you'll be more hesitant to use GWM on it's attack role. But overall, very strong.
What do you mean triggers? The off-hand attack is a bonus action and never changes. War Magic allows a bonus action melee attack with the casting of a cantrip. Green Flame Blade allows melee attack with the casting of Green Flame Blade.
No matter the weapon the sequence is as follows when using War Magic:
Cast Cantrip (GFB) which includes a melee attack.
Bonus action melee attack.
It's always two attacks and only two attacks. There is no triggering with TWF. You can't cast a spell with your bonus action with War Magic.
Yes: if you are a wizard, you can learn from any school. Specialization makes it cheaper to copy spells from your favoured school (a negligible benefit it must be said) and an thematically appropriate special ability.
Arcane Tricksters and Eldritch Knights do have school restrictions.
Arcane Tricksters and Eldritch Knights do have school restrictions.
Motorskills
Explorer
Reviewing multi-classing, say Cleric 1 / Wizard X, is there a best time to take the Cleric level?
Similar Threads
