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It seems like the last origin will be a Dragonborn Sorcerer serial killer, really disguisted with how edge lord Larian has been with the origin characters. Folks begged for a good origin character, Larian heard serial killer some how. So very angry right now.

Henadic Theologian said:

It seems like the last origin will be a Dragonborn Sorcerer serial killer, really disguisted with how edge lord Larian has been with the origin characters. Folks begged for a good origin character, Larian heard serial killer some how. So very angry right now.

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If this dragonborn is the other origin character, they are probably a good character who is brainwashed/manipulated by the goblin, following the pattern of all of the origin characters having something controlling/influencing them:

Shadowheart - Shar (there are several scenes that imply that Shadowheart is/was actually a brainwashed cleric of Selune)
Wyll - Minthara
Gale - Mystra
Lae'zel - V'laakith
Astarion - Cazador
Dragonborn sorcerer - creepy goblin?
Karlach - Zariel

I'm not bothered in any case because I've already pretty much decided that my party will be a bard Tav with Shadowheart, Wyll, and Karlach. A dragonborn sorcerer doesn't force me to re-think that.

I AM surprised that the game apparently has zero joinable dwarves, halflings, or gnomes.

The game doesn't actually have alignment, but even if it did, I'd say the origin characters represent a pretty even spread. I'd have Wyll, Gale, and Karlach down as good (Wyll probably chaotic good, Gale as neutral or lawful good, Karlach tbd). Lae'zel as lawful evil, Astarian as probably neutral evil. Shadowheart is a wildcard because she is possibly brainwashed, so I'll call her neutral for now. If the dragonborn is evil, that pretty much makes three evil and three good origins, plus whatever Shadowheart is. I also suspect that Lae'zel and Astarion, while evil, are probably both morally redeemable in the full game for players who have the patience for them.

Then for non-origin joinable characters, we have three good ones and one evil.

So on the whole, more good options than evil ones.

Burnside said:

I'd have Wyll, Gale, and Karlach down as good (Wyll probably chaotic good, Gale as neutral or lawful good, Karlach tbd).

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Minor spoiler: Gale can be talked around that massacring a large number (well into the double digits) of genuine innocents, including several children is okay, actually.

He is thus imho 100% definitely is not NG, let alone LG, given how unlawful all that is on top of being irredeemable movie villain levels of evil. I would strongly suggest he's Neutral or Lawful Neutral, because that would explain being opposed, but possible to talk round to it being a "necessary evil".

Wyll and Karlach are Good.

Agree re: Astarion and Lae'zel, though, NE and LE.

Shadowheart is trying to make out she's NE, but acting N, as you say. Some people are assuming she's going to be a saintly princess once we "fix" whatever is wrong with her, but that feels a little too straightforward for Larian.

Thus if this Dragonborn is indeed an Origin character (as seems likely), I expect him to be Neutral or Good, just horribly damaged by what was done to him (presumably the Nautiloid separated him from his goblin pilot, and we will meet them again in Baldur's Gate).

Burnside said:

I also suspect that Lae'zel and Astarion, while evil, are probably both morally redeemable in the full game for players who have the patience for them.

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Yes. I don't think either will "make a full recovery" but it seems like both have potential for growth, under the right circumstances.

Burnside said:

I AM surprised that the game apparently has zero joinable dwarves, halflings, or gnomes.

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Yeah surprised to see a videogame fall into that pattern when it had the choice not to.

Seramus said:

Unlimited Adventures, Neverwinter Nights, and Solasta did have TONS of full blown adventures made by ambitious fans, but I admit it takes a certain alchemy and coincidence for all the factors to line up and create an adventure haven like those games.

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I don't know what Unlimited Adventures is, and I'm a little skeptical re: Solasta, but I can't challenge it, I don't know enough. With NWN though sure.

But the ease of putting together an adventure, specifically, in NWN, as compared to Skyrim, is insane. I can put together a very small but quite complete adventure in a long afternoon with NWN, even learning as I go. With Skyrim? We'd be looking at weeks. Not days. Weeks. Spending multiple hours per day working on it. FO4 would be even worse, more like months likely.

My point was re: the claim that Skyrim/FO4 have "loads of adventures" for them, because they just don't.

I would be extremely surprised if BG3's adventure-building engine (which no doubt exists, I'm sure most of the game's adventures were put together with an internal tool of that kind), even a simplified version, wasn't at least on-par with Skyrim in difficulty, given it's an non-grid-based full-3D game with high levels of interactivity/reactivity, individual objects and so on.

In my past Early Access playthroughs I've had several times where I decided that my character wouldn't stand for one or more of the companions. For example, despite Astarion being my favorite, I've at least twice had my PC react to the revelation of him being a vampire by telling him to leave and never return. I'm not certain if I'll do this in the full game as I'd probably end up missing out on a lot of content that way.

One of my most memorable Early Access playthroughs involved me making a Githyanki Fighter that only ever stuck with Lae'zel. The encounters felt significantly different and more difficult with only two melee characters, so I had to get creative and make good use of the few items that could be used to summon temporary allies.

Hexmage-EN said:

In my past Early Access playthroughs I've had several times where I decided that my character wouldn't stand for one or more of the companions. For example, despite Astarion being my favorite, I've at least twice had my PC react to the revelation of him being a vampire by telling him to leave and never return. I'm not certain if I'll do this in the full game as I'd probably end up missing out on a lot of content that way.

One of my most memorable Early Access playthroughs involved me making a Githyanki Fighter that only ever stuck with Lae'zel. The encounters felt significantly different and more difficult with only two melee characters, so I had to get creative and make good use of the few items that could be used to summon temporary allies.

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I have never played as a githyanki - does Lae'zel behave significantly differently towards you?

Funnily enough, the fact that Astarion is a vampire doesn't bother me as much as him just generally being an exhausting person. I suspect that the manner in which he is exhausting is meant to be sexy, but I just find him tiresome.

Henadic Theologian said:

It seems like the last origin will be a Dragonborn Sorcerer serial killer, really disguisted with how edge lord Larian has been with the origin characters. Folks begged for a good origin character, Larian heard serial killer some how. So very angry right now.

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It does kinda feel like all the companions/origin characters are straight out of some edgy 14yo's D&D campaign. Maybe that's the target audience for BG3?

Sorcerers Apprentice said:

It does kinda feel like all the companions/origin characters are straight out of some edgy 14yo's D&D campaign. Maybe that's the target audience for BG3?

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I can see where you'd get that impression from reading about them, but not from playing with them.

Well, except for Astarion, who really is like that.

< Scream killer voice > Do you like scary movies pointless speculation?

Because we've had a lot of speculation that a Dragonborn serial killer is the last Origin character, but what if he isn't?



This is from very recently and shows all 7 Origins, and the last one is like "Ttt Ttt Tttt" - i.e. three letters three letters four letters - or possibly three letter four letters four letters as it's clearly not a fixed-width font. Some people think it says The Red Mage or The Dark Mage or The Red Monk or whatever, but it's essentially impossible to say. And in less than 24 hours we'll know anyway.

The consensus is leaning towards a placeholder "The Final Origin" and a blacked out portrait. Can't trust anyone not to leak these days,