AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

overgeeked · Jan 9, 2024

Argyle King said:
Where do you feel the line is drawn between "using AI to help create art is bad" versus "I use a computer and digital tools to help create my art"?

Same as any other tool you use to do something versus having someone else do the work for you.

If you can tell the difference between using tools to build a house vs paying a work crew to do it for you, you can tell the difference between using digital tools to help create things vs offloading the work to an “AI.”

How about: If you can tell the difference between making dinner from scratch at home vs ordering take out, you can tell the difference between using digital tools to help create things vs offloading the work to an “AI.”

Andvari · Jan 9, 2024

Argyle King said:
Where do you feel the line is drawn between "using AI to help create art is bad" versus "I use a computer and digital tools to help create my art"?

If the bad is taking work away from the artist, then any tool that relies on machine learning would be past the line. If the bad is the AI being inspired by copyrighted work, any tool that uses machine learning to train itself on copyrighted material would be past the line.

Scribe · Jan 9, 2024

CapnZapp said:
After all, computers and robots and AI should ideally steal ALL jobs so we don't have to work anymore just to make a living.

There are countries in this world that dont even have health care for its citizens as a guarantee, and we are contemplating a realistic (??) scenario where work is suddenly optional?

TheSword · Jan 9, 2024

overgeeked said:
When a thief admits to being a thief you don't need to wait for the courts to decide. They literally admit to being thieves.

Well i think they would strongly dispute that reading something and using it to form an opinion is theft.

Not for me to say. Legislation needs to specify it.

dragoner · Jan 9, 2024

TheSword said:
I believe we are yet to have a definitive answer as to whether training is a breach of copyright.

That’s what the various civil cases will resolve or not.

All one has to do is look at the language they commonly use is from the 1700's to 1800's, they don't like using new language, nor do they create law, only interpret it. Plus there has to be culpability, which has been established machines do not have.

Bohandas · Jan 9, 2024

Bayushi_seikuro said:
Birds and beasts also are not under the direct systemic control of capitalism.

That's part of my point

Bohandas · Jan 9, 2024

Does anyone here feel bad for the victorian lamplighters when they see the streetlights come on automatically?

CapnZapp · Jan 9, 2024

Scribe said:
There are countries in this world that dont even have health care for its citizens as a guarantee, and we are contemplating a realistic (??) scenario where work is suddenly optional?

Do you prefer the alternative, where only the few humans whose work can't be replicated by machines still can afford to eat?

Anyway, what I do know, is that trying to stop progress and keep humans doing things computers can do much cheaper, is futile.

overgeeked · Jan 9, 2024

TheSword said:
Well i think they would strongly dispute that reading something and using it to form an opinion is theft.

Not for me to say. Legislation needs to specify it.

Legislation already condemns copyright violations. The people making these “AI” programs have already admitted to several layers of hundreds of thousands of copyright violations, including illegally torrenting hundreds of thousands of books to train their programs. We don’t need new laws, the existing ones already cover this. They simply need to be enforced. And again, the people doing this freely admit that with copyright laws in their current form what they’re doing is illegal.

Scribe · Jan 9, 2024

CapnZapp said:
Do you prefer the alternative, where only the few humans whose work can't be replicated by machines still can afford to eat?

No, because I do not accept that is the only option.

CapnZapp said:
Anyway, what I do know, is that trying to stop progress and keep humans doing things computers can do much cheaper, is futile.

Only because enough people are willing to accept it, and call it 'progress'.

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