D&D (2024) What Should D&D 2024 Have Been +

Yeah. It is sad.
No. It makes me happy. Although I hope we will see some more substantial updates next time. I don't think they'll get away with another revision.

Actually I would not have minded that revision 3 to 5 years ago. After Xanathar's and maybe Tasha's I had the feeling some of those changes should be put into a revised PHB and DMG.
 

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I think they will eventually overhaul 5.5.
I think it will ve 6e next time. Similar rules but a revsions to some fundamentals and without 95% backwards compatibility.
In ten more years people will be fairly sick of it imho.
I think so too. But before then it will have another golden time.
If it tanks before then then to go back to the drawing board.
I can't imagine how the new books can tank. They don't have to sell extremely fast. They just need to bump sales for the next 10 years. Every old player that rebuys the books will be on top of the new players that would buy the current PHB anyway.
We don't really have anything comparable to go on in modern era. Or with social media existing. 1989 was last major revision to an edition.
What exactly do you mean with this?
3.5 was a major revision to 3e. I can't state enough how the focus from theater of the mind towards battlemap*, DM adjucations and rulings towards by codified rules (cover e.g.) and laying prestige classes in player's hands changed the way the game was played.

For me the change from 3.0 to 3.5 was more significant than 2e to 3e in a certain way.

*and Crawford seems to agree with me.
 

grimmgoose

Explorer
They don’t want to scare anyone off while selling a new core 3, thus why it’s a .5 Ed like 3/3.5. You may never see a big rules change again like 2-3-4. This is D&D now with just tweakes every few years to sell more core 3.
You absolutely, 100%, will see a new edition. I just cannot see a world where it's 2046, and D&D is still relevant while also using an engine designed back in 2014.

Imagine being the D&D lead in 2040 and being told, "yeah so, you're actually not allowed to change anything. Just get this Curse of Strahd reprint ready to go!"
 

DarkCrisis

Reeks of Jedi
You absolutely, 100%, will see a new edition. I just cannot see a world where it's 2046, and D&D is still relevant while also using an engine designed back in 2014.

Imagine being the D&D lead in 2040 and being told, "yeah so, you're actually not allowed to change anything. Just get this Curse of Strahd reprint ready to go!"

Look at Call of Cthulhu. It's the exact same system as its 1E with some tweaks and updating. WotC has said they want 5E to be "Evergreen", so don't expect some huge system change like 2-4.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.
 


Lidgar

Gongfarmer
I wish they took this opportunity to fulfill their “Modular” approach to the rules.

A series of “basic” rules and classes for a simplified game for beginners.

A module for “grittier” rules and classes.

A module for the “superhero” approach they take now.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I think it will ve 6e next time. Similar rules but a revsions to some fundamentals and without 95% backwards compatibility.

I think so too. But before then it will have another golden time.

I can't imagine how the new books can tank. They don't have to sell extremely fast. They just need to bump sales for the next 10 years. Every old player that rebuys the books will be on top of the new players that would buy the current PHB anyway.

What exactly do you mean with this?
3.5 was a major revision to 3e. I can't state enough how the focus from theater of the mind towards battlemap*, DM adjucations and rulings towards by codified rules (cover e.g.) and laying prestige classes in player's hands changed the way the game was played.

For me the change from 3.0 to 3.5 was more significant than 2e to 3e in a certain way.

*and Crawford seems to agree with me.

3.5 was a tweak and social media as such didn't exist. Forums did. It also wasn't very popular sales wise relative to every other edition except OD&D.

Vastly different scale in very different media scape.
 

mamba

Legend
WotC has said they want 5E to be "Evergreen", so don't expect some huge system change like 2-4.
I don’t put much faith in what WotC says… do they mean it in the moment, probably, can you expect them to still follow it 10 or 20 years later however…

As long as 5e sells, they won’t deviate too much, but once the green of evergreen fades, they will create a new edition to rekindle interest
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I don’t put much faith in what WotC says… do they mean it in the moment, probably, can you expect them to still follow it 10 or 20 years later however…

As long as 5e sells, they won’t deviate too much, but once the green of evergreen fades, they will create a new edition to rekindle interest

This is how I see it.

They were pushing the ever green thing back in 2014 or 13. Context was they were probably genuine and 5E would have been the last. Then it blew up. It's evergreen until it isn't
 

ECMO3

Hero
I am starting this thread because I don't want to rain on folks' parade who are excited in the Fireside Chat thread. Similarly, I made this a Plus + thread to indicate that it really isn't a place to answer with some variant of "what we are getting." Thanks for not doing that or otherwise arguing with the premise.

While I am not surprised that it appears 2024 is just more of the same 5E, I am a little disappointed anyway. I guess there was a part of me hoping WotC was going to innovate rather than tweak, even with all the evidence to the contrary. Obviously, that is a "me" problem, but still.

Anyway, let's talk about we would have liked to see in a real evolution of 5E. For the purposes of this discussion, let's avoid just saying we wish they would have turned it into 4E or A5E or Shadowdark or whatever. Those games exist.

Also, while we are getting a clearer picture of what 2024 D&D will look like, there is still a lot we don't know. This thread isn't really about that anyway, but let's bear in mind that there remains some possibilities in the details even if it looks very much like broadly 2024 is just 2014 with a paint job and some bolts tightened.

I have to run out so I don't have time for a full dissertation but I will start with this: I wish they would have re-thought the whole idea of subclasses and made them much more fluid, working between multiple classes. An example is something like the Assassin: that is something that many characters can be and different classes could benefit from in different ways.

What do you wish D&D 2024 would have done that evidence says it isn't?


1. I would have liked to see them take away multiclassing restrictions. After playing a lot of BG3 I am starting to think that being able to dip a Wizard with a 6 intelligence or a Barbarian with a 9 strength is such a bad thing. Based on the fireside chat it appears multiclassing will get more restricted.

2. I would like to see casters be more effective with weapons. I like a game where Gandalf can swing a sword and do it almost as good as Aragorn. Maybe a little behind, but not so far behind that it is almost worthless. If a 15th level fighter is averaging 30DPR with a sword I would like to see a full caster averaging 20 without resorting to magic.

3. I would like to see more Tiefling lineages.

4. I would like the Standard Human to get +6 to abilities to distribute however they want instead of +1 to six abilities or what will likely happen - +2 to 1 and +1 to another.

5. I would like more powerful spell options, it sounds to me like some spells are actually going to be nerfed. These will likely be some of the most popular spells in the game as the popular spells are also largely the most powerful. I don't get this logic- people really like something so let's change it.
 

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