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I'm about 50/50 on witch I use and when

then let me be perfectly clear I DO NOT TELL MY PLAYERS HOW HIS OR HER CHARACTER THINKS OR ACTS!!!!!!!!! I don't know how else to spell this out... my players control what there character thinks, says, does... I have never said they don't You keep pretending that by my NPC intimidating them...

you can go back all you want I have clarified multi times that I roll the intimidation skill and let the players react... yes they act intimidated because they are roleplaying.... SO lets try again... unless you are sitting at a table you can not say that a DM is forcing the PCs to think or act...

if that where true I wouldn't be repeating myself again... I DO NOT TELL MY PLAYERS WHAT TO DO THINK OR ACT... I am rolling an intimidate check using the rules in the book the same as if I rolled an attack or a stealth check... no I am saying how successful of a roll I am making... please...

I would let them, but it's totally a DM call not a rule

There is a major difference between "you think he is too big and bad and you run" and "He is intimidating you with a roll of 23" the fact that you can not separate the two astonishes me. It's almost like you have some big buggyman forcefull jerk of a DM built up in your mind and you stoped...

I don't

I have crossed no line by rolling that die and telling you that number that you didn't by describing him I took a different path to the same end and for gods sake STOP LIEING ABOUT ME TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO ACT!!!! I have told you repeatedly to stop I am asking one more time Please!!! Stop saying...

there is 0 difference other then the words we use... I use the NPCs stats to show case how intimidating he is, you use your skill in flowery discriptions to try to get across to the player how intimidating he is... it is the same thing both of us are expressing how intimidating the orc is...

I have never been happier for my local player base then I have been in the last few weeks here... OK I will ignore the whole player knowledge thing for now and just invite you to reread the last page or so where I clearly showed and was understood by others that at no point have I EVER tried...

opps... ok... in that case let me just say I love and think this poll is very eye opening...

It works really well when you have players who don't pick up on social cues, or ones that don't understand visually what you describe. It can also become a great short hand even if they don't fall into those catagories, but it is only 1 tool in the box not something to bog every social...

I don't know if you can divorce these two points... If I am allowed to say "I am immune to intimidate" because it is what my character thinks, and "I burn the troll" the first time I see one ever, and "I know vampires level drain" with no roll or even ingame hint, then why not "I hit... no I'm...

it's not really a lot at least not for intimidate, if it comes up 5 times in 20 levels (a year or there abouts) that is a lot... as for why, because players need something to base there reactions on, and this is one of many things that help them improvise there characters... ding... you got...

I think someone broke the poll... there are more votes for advantage disadvantage then voters...

using out of game knowledge in game is cheating just because you let your players cheat doesn't make it not cheating/ then they better have a reason IN GAME for thinking it or justifying it or they are just plane cheating... yea, and the best is to remind them this isn't a video game you...

you get the idea... in the game like the real world intimidating someone intirely relies on who they are. SOme people when intimdated fall apart and cry (good luck getting anything out of the ball of tears) some punch because there fight or flight response is fight (rarely what you want, but hey...

No I start with a quick description... "The orc screams out a threat half I common and half in orcish both come out with a bit of a growl" now some times it ends with that, because that's it, however if I want to add in how intimidating I would add, "Now everyone roll a will save (well now it...

why, that's like saying "If your encounter relies solely on the players not using loaded dice, the DM need to construct better encounters" why should I even 'account' for cheating? Of course cheating makes the game easier... the amount of cheating that you accept will vary from table to table...

I prefer to not let people cheat at a game... your character knowledge and your out of game knowledge are different... witch no one has argued... your right it's a type of role playing I don't like... I call it cheating... I remember back in the 90's I was playing at my local college and...