From the class description in the PHB, a cleric is, by definition, an adventurer. The priests and clergy of the various religions are, for the most part, not clerics and can't cast spells.
In 5e (so, Post-Sundering), we know that greater gods can't be personally met by mortals (even though you can meet their avatars). An example, as Perkins put it in the latest LYSK, is Zeus (so I'd say that the really big names, like Corellon, Mystra, etc... count too). Lolth, OTOH, can be personally met by mortals in the Realms in 5e (Drizzt does), so she clearly is a lesser deity.
From the class description in the PHB, a cleric is, by definition, an adventurer. The priests and clergy of the various religions are, for the most part, not clerics and can't cast spells.
This never made sense for FR, clerics have never been that rare and in fact are relatively common in theocracies, such as Mulhorand, Unther, and Drow cities. Some I just kind of ignore that.
Lesser priests just have the ritual caster feat, Clerics, Paladins, and Divine Souls act as full priests and wondering adventuring priests, maybe more divinely focused Bards acting like priests as well at times, with high level Divine Spellcasters leading religions.
In 5e (so, Post-Sundering), we know that greater gods can't be personally met by mortals (even though you can meet their avatars). An example, as Perkins put it in the latest LYSK, is Zeus (so I'd say that the really big names, like Corellon, Mystra, etc... count too). Lolth, OTOH, can be personally met by mortals in the Realms in 5e (Drizzt does), so she clearly is a lesser deity.
First, I think that standing in front of an avatar gives off very different vibes than standing in front of the deity themselves. Second, he's transported into the Demonwebs to eet Lolth herself, or so it is said in the book. In any case, from a narrative PoV, it makes sense for Lolth to be demoted.
Squandered lots of power with the Demonweave thing--a project that was bound to fail from the get-go, according to Ed, because Lolth lacked the finesse and was blinded by hubris--only to be defeated by a half-dead Mystra. Then squandered resources with the whole Darknening thing, and was defeated. Then she tried to take over the Abyss, but things didn't go as planned as Demogorgon was sent back sooner than expected, and she certainly didn't become the queen of the Abyss as she wanted (or we'd know from MToF), therefore pointing to another failure. On top of that, her 2 main rivals within the DS, Vhaeraun and Eilistraee, have re-emerged, and the latter seems to be closer to Mystra than ever.
When you squander so many resources in back to back huge efforts, only for those to be in vain, you're bound to lose something.
She's had some set backs, but she is still head of the Drow Pantheon at the end of the day and it makes no sense for anything less then a Greater God to head a Pantheon.
She's had some set backs, but she is still head of the Crow Pantheon at the end of the day and it makes no sense for anything less then a Greater God to head a Pantheon.
Idk, remeber that the drow are not a race on their own, but a subrace. It's not the same as Corellon, Yondalla, etc...
In addition (up to the drastic changes of MToF), the drow pantheon has never been a pantheon in the regular sense. Lolth nominally is the chief, but the Dark Seldarine is but a group of deities who are eternally at odds.
In MToF, Eilistraee and Malyk seem to be the only deities who still actively oppose Lolth, which makes no sense given the history of the other gods, but w/e.
Idk, remeber that the drow are not a race on their own, but a subrace. It's not the same as Corellon, Yondalla, etc...
In addition (up to the drastic changes of MToF), the drow pantheon has never been a pantheon in the regular sense. Lolth nominally is the chief, but the Dark Seldarine is but a group of deities who are eternally at odds.
In MToF, Eilistraee and Malyk seem to be the only deities who still actively oppose Lolth, which makes no sense given the history of the other gods, but w/e.
Idk, remeber that the drow are not a race on their own, but a subrace. It's not the same as Corellon, Yondalla, etc...
In addition (up to the drastic changes of MToF), the drow pantheon has never been a pantheon in the regular sense. Lolth nominally is the chief, but the Dark Seldarine is but a group of deities who are eternally at odds.
In MToF, Eilistraee and Malyk seem to be the only deities who still actively oppose Lolth, which makes no sense given the history of the other gods, but w/e.
I agree that the sudden love in from Lolths son especially is WTF I mean Lolth has killed most of them of the Pantheon at some point or majorly wrecked their plans. Or both usually.
