I am trying to find the upkeep costs for buildings; castles, businesses, and private homes. I expect it to be a % of the total value. So far I have found conflicting sources. In the 1st edition DMG it is listed at 1%/month or 12% annually. That seems high. In The Stronghold Builders Guidebook it is 1-2% annnually, which is 3rd edition. I could not find anything in the 3.5 DMG. I am sure it is there-I just missed it. I would like to know what is out there and opinions on what would be a realistic amount.
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annual upkeep costs of buildings?
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GrumpyOldMan
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It depends on how you define upkeep.
If it includes all local taxes plus food for all residents, including any servants, as well as any structural repairs maintenance, I’d say that 1% of total building value per month is a bargain.
(you do pay your taxes, don’t you?)
If it includes all local taxes plus food for all residents, including any servants, as well as any structural repairs maintenance, I’d say that 1% of total building value per month is a bargain.
(you do pay your taxes, don’t you?)
Kid Charlemagne
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I figure property taxes alone to be 1%, and 10% per year should include all major issues: Upkeep to the grounds, repairs of most anything but serious disasters, and things like new furniture, wood for heating, etc. I wouldn't include food or any other expenses.
Kid Charlemagne said:
Property taxes? It isn't given that there are going to be any. They have been rather uncommon historically.
Realistic maintenance costs will have to depend strongly on the material of construction. Compared with timber, thatch, and wattle-and-daub, stonework is expensive to build and cheap to maintain. It's maintenance as a proportion of cost will therefore be extremely low.
like repairs? why not make it depend on structure materials? like thatch roofs needing maintained more often, or stone/wood almost never needing repairs. maybe with each storm, give it a percentage value of damage, like hailstorm subjects all buildings to a 5 percent damage total. that might be simple. standard weather 1 percent annually or something.
Sigurd
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off the cuff
Tax - Your the King - none
You're not the King - 33%
- You have no tithe to diety or church\cult\sect\etc... - 0%
Typical Tythe 10%+
Buildings
Quality Mod +7 to -3%
Stone - 5% total construction cost per year
Wood or Daub 7 - 10% per year.
DC 10 Each year for structural damage that must be repaired or add 1% to cost and 1 to DC. This might be automatic if there was any burning, attack, or serious damage to a major structure.
Every percentage of the of the upkeep unpaid adds to the DC for structural damage.
Holdings in a game should generate money to cover these costs. Characters wanting to cover the whole cost of a large structure out of pocket should find it difficult to say the least.
This means that a very low quality Wooden Fortification could cost 17% of its total construction cost each year to maintain but a high quality stone fortification might cost only 2% of its (much higher) construction cost.
Quality modifiers might be:
positive
Built during peace time.
Quality Materials
Skilled builders
Negative
Built to tight deadline.
Built without regard to seasonal constraints.
Poor materials
inexperienced workers -- Even if your labour force learned on the job its likely that they were the most inexperienced while they were doing your foundations
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Republican president
my .02
Sigurd
Tax - Your the King - none
You're not the King - 33%
- You have no tithe to diety or church\cult\sect\etc... - 0%
Typical Tythe 10%+
Buildings
Quality Mod +7 to -3%
Stone - 5% total construction cost per year
Wood or Daub 7 - 10% per year.
DC 10 Each year for structural damage that must be repaired or add 1% to cost and 1 to DC. This might be automatic if there was any burning, attack, or serious damage to a major structure.
Every percentage of the of the upkeep unpaid adds to the DC for structural damage.
Holdings in a game should generate money to cover these costs. Characters wanting to cover the whole cost of a large structure out of pocket should find it difficult to say the least.
This means that a very low quality Wooden Fortification could cost 17% of its total construction cost each year to maintain but a high quality stone fortification might cost only 2% of its (much higher) construction cost.
Quality modifiers might be:
positive
Built during peace time.
Quality Materials
Skilled builders
Negative
Built to tight deadline.
Built without regard to seasonal constraints.
Poor materials
inexperienced workers -- Even if your labour force learned on the job its likely that they were the most inexperienced while they were doing your foundations
.Republican president
my .02
Sigurd
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GrumpyOldMan
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Agemegos said:
Danegeld
Capitation or head tax (literally, a tax on existence),
Taille (a tax on property)
Heriot (an inheritance tax)
plus banalities
just five medieval taxes
Find the following Book:
"A Magical Medieval Society Western Europe"
It is out of print but a lot of internet gaming stores have them:
http://www.xrpshop.citymax.com/catalog/item/2632834/2092489.htm
This thing is amazing - it will tell you all you need to know. Otherwise the DMGII can help a bit.
"A Magical Medieval Society Western Europe"
It is out of print but a lot of internet gaming stores have them:
http://www.xrpshop.citymax.com/catalog/item/2632834/2092489.htm
This thing is amazing - it will tell you all you need to know. Otherwise the DMGII can help a bit.
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