Combat Challenge and Oppurtunity Attacks

[theshard]

Correct, he gets both.



Resolve them in whatever order you see fit, but it doesn't matter too much--they're effectively simultaneous. Note however that combat challenge attacks do not stop movement. Only opportunity attacks do that. Regardless, both attacks would go off; you don't cancel an interrupt because the triggering action was invalidated.

Right, I got that backwards. So the monster starts to move toward the warlord, so in response, the fighter gets his Combat Challenge attack, then he also immeadiately gets an OA due to the warlord's Viper's Strike. This attack is an OA so it does stop the monster's movement, meaning the monster must now use another move action to close on the warlord and not getting an attack at all.

Is this correct? It seems very powerful and effectively shuts down a lot of monsters (especially solos) or forces them to attack the fighter no matter how ineffective that might be considering the possiblity of healer keeping up with any damage done by the monster.

 

[the8bitdeity]

Right, I got that backwards. So the monster starts to move toward the warlord, so in response, the fighter gets his Combat Challenge attack, then he also immeadiately gets an OA due to the warlord's Viper's Strike. This attack is an OA so it does stop the monster's movement, meaning the monster must now use another move action to close on the warlord and not getting an attack at all.

Is this correct? It seems very powerful and effectively shuts down a lot of monsters (especially solos) or forces them to attack the fighter no matter how ineffective that might be considering the possiblity of healer keeping up with any damage done by the monster.

Fighters in 4e are basically walking choke points. That said, eventually the -2 to hit isn't THAT bad. As a DM I tend to try to force the fighter to use his Immediate Action on a lame monster, and then use a better monster. It becomes a bit of a chess match that's fun for both DM and Player.

 

[Kordeth]

Right, I got that backwards. So the monster starts to move toward the warlord, so in response, the fighter gets his Combat Challenge attack, then he also immeadiately gets an OA due to the warlord's Viper's Strike. This attack is an OA so it does stop the monster's movement, meaning the monster must now use another move action to close on the warlord and not getting an attack at all.

Alternately, the monster can now charge the warlord. Or he could have moved rather than shifted and thus only triggered one OA from the fighter. Or it can turn around and wallop the fighter, which is the whole point of what the game design is trying to accomplish.

Is this correct? It seems very powerful and effectively shuts down a lot of monsters (especially solos) or forces them to attack the fighter no matter how ineffective that might be considering the possiblity of healer keeping up with any damage done by the monster.

Monsters have plenty of options if they're bound and determined to bypass the fighter. Most of those options are sub-optimal. That means the fighter is working as designed.

 

[theshard]

Thanks for all the responses and help. I wanted to make sure I was doing it right and not short changing anyone.