TSR Companies & Freelancers Distance Themselves From The New TSR

The new TSR (which I refer to as TSR3 to avoid confusion) has doubled down on its stance--which has been widely condemned online--via an ongoing series of tweets and replies from its TSR Games, Giantlands, and Dungeon Hobby Museum social media accounts (possibly operated by Justin LaNasa) in an astonishing PR campaign which makes the original interview which sparked off the controversy look...

The new TSR (which I refer to as TSR3 to avoid confusion) has doubled down on its stance--which has been widely condemned online--via an ongoing series of tweets and replies from its TSR Games, Giantlands, and Dungeon Hobby Museum social media accounts (possibly operated by Justin LaNasa) in an astonishing PR campaign which makes the original interview which sparked off the controversy look mild in comparison. Various entities are moving to distance themselves from the company and its activities, including TSR2, the company founded in 2011 by Jayson Elliot, which has now declared that it will not be using the name TSR any longer. Other companies including Gen Con and freelancers such as Jeff Dee have also made statements.

For reference -- TSR1 is the (no longer existing) company which launched D&D in 1974, TSR2 is the company founded by Jayson Elliot in 2011 to create Gygax Magazine and which currently publishes the Top Secret RPG, and TSR3 is the newly launched company.



Catch up on my previous coverage of this story:


TSR3's social media accounts initially sought to distance the company from Ernie Gygax's statements, but within a few hours had reversed course and doubled down on his stance. Note that there have been dozens of social media posts from the company over the last few days, and still continuing as I type this, and I don't intend to share them all here.

(Thanks to Daniel Fox for sharing screenshots below via Twitter).

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TSR2 -- "Update to our earlier tweet - we will NOT be licensing anything from the new company claiming rights to the TSR logos. We are not working with them in any fashion."

Gen Con -- "Gen Con is not associated with TSR Games and we don't support their recent statements. While the foundation of Gen Con is tied with the history of TTRPGs, our goal is to build off the good, acknowledge the bad, and work toward a present free from racism, misogyny, and homophobia."

Gen Con has also indicated that they do not intend to allow TSR3 at the convention.

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GAMA (the Game Manufacturers Association) -- "We’re aware of the appalling statements published by TSR Games and their founder - GAMA does not condone nor agree with any part of it. We pride ourselves on supporting and promoting inclusivity always. Our motto is “A game at every table, a table for everyone”. Transphobia, racism, and sexism will not be tolerated. That means that TSR is not welcome at Origins Game Fair, GAMA Expo or any event affiliated with our organization."

Jeff Dee -- "There is a rumor going around that I am part of this new TSR company. That is not accurate. I have done some work for them as a freelance artist. That’s how I make my living, and spreading the misinformation that I’m now employed full-time by one particular client could stop other clients from approaching me and hurt my business. So, please do not spread that rumor. If I ever become a full-time employee anywhere again, I will announce that myself. Thanks. UPDATE: After investigating reports about statements made by representatives of this new TSR, I have determined that I can no longer do business with them in good conscience. I've returned their downpayment on the next piece of art I was scheduled to do for them. And yeah, I could sure use some new commissions to make up for this big hit on my cashflow"

Jim Ward, an original TSR alumnus and who wrote Giantlands, TSR3's flagship product -- "At the present time I know little or nothing about the relaunch of TSR. Right now I don't see how anyone could pick up where the old company left off. Yes it's a name with some logos, that is all I know."

Luke Gygax -- "FYI- I am not involved with any TSR company nor is Gary Con nor anyone else in my family outside of Ernie. Full stop. That is all ... I have reasons for distancing myself. The way TSR treats people online in their public exchanges is rude. The museum is a for profit business and was asking for donations. Using names of people to promote without their knowledge. Going out of the way to talk gender/woke stuff ... Also basically jacking the TSR logo from Jayson Elliot. The bombastic press releases and claims to old IP. Making a quick nostalgia money grab based on my fathers name and not much else. So I’m making it clear I don’t like this style and I have ZERO to do with TSR"

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TSR3 responds to Luke Gygax

Tim Kask, an original TSR alumnus who worked at the company until 1980, spoke at length on this topic in a YouTube video (below). I've transcribed some bits, but he says a whole load more (ellipses represent sections I have not included, for reasons of brevity), so check out the video for the whole thing.

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry. Probably more than that, I don't believe that there's a quarter of the gaming industry that still are the neanderthals that he would make us out to be.

That's another thing. This whole thing has brought the OSR (the old school revival) into serious disrepute. Now there are some little Karens going on some of the social media and painting with the same brush all of us that were there back then based on the stupid ass sh*t that Ernie just said. No. We weren't all like that. And we aren't all like that now. He's a troll, a troglodyte, a neanderthal, if he really means that. It's a foolish person that doesn't wet his finger once in a while and feel the wind shift.

Now there've been claims in a couple of posts, one of which is by Ernie, about how the stalwarts, the old TSR are flocking to the banner. Bullsh*t....

... There is no one of the creative side of TSR from the early days involved with the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum. No one. Not one creative person. No matter who might be claiming what, they simply do not have the credentials. Being named DiMaggio does not mean you can hit a lot of home runs. Or that you even hit any home runs ....

... Just because you say you're TSR doesn't mean you are."


 

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Ok, you need to re-read. (on devrait tu faire ca en francais?). Where did I imply that? You've created a position I never took, and then claim I fell into a trap.

I am talking about bigots. You are the one who made the equivalence between the action of people who want to cancel products and bigots. YOU chose the word bigots btw. Let us revisits what you said:

(emphasis added)

You are comparing the actions of people who are upset about a content creator and don't want to support his product, to the action of bigots - WHO DO FAR WORSE THAN NOT BUY BOOKS. This is what you said. This is your position. Is this what you mean, or again, is this a translation error?
Pas besoin d'y aller en français mon ami. Let's keep this in english.
Cancellation is a weapon used by both far right and far left. They try to cancel each other but in so doing, they are not talking to each others. We need the discussion to go on. If all they have is trying to cancel someone as some are suggesting (there a lot of posts in this thread suggesting that) then these persons are no better than the ones they are trying to cancel. Our wallets will speak louder to these than 10000 pages worth of cancellation attemps. I know my wallet will stay silent unless they (those who claim non inclusivity is the way) change their mind and offer their excuses. Admitting when one erred is enough for me (if sincere...)
 

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Moorcrys

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…but also an extremely progressive OSR RPG FB group as well.

Sorry if you’ve mentioned this later on and I haven’t gotten there yet, but which one is that? Im a big fan of 1e - it’s what I grew up on so the nostalgia factor is there not gonna lie. And I’d love to start a game online with some like-minded folks, but to be honest a lot of the toxicity on a number of these sites has really made me reluctant to dive in. I’d love to know of an OSR site or two that espouses a more inclusive dynamic but with a love for the quirkiness of old school AD&D.
 

Gradine

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Pas besoin d'y aller en français mon ami. Let's keep this in english.
Cancellation is a weapon used by both far right and far left. They try to cancel each other but in so doing, they are not talking to each others. We need the discussion to go on. If all you have is trying to cancel someone as some are suggesting (there a lot of posts in this thread suggesting that) then these persons are no better than the ones they are trying to cancel. Our wallets will speak louder to these than 10000 pages worth of cancellation attemps. I know my wallet will stay silent unless they (those who claim non inclusivity is the way) change their mind and offer their excuses. Admitting when one erred is enough for me (if sincere...)
Y'all cis want to pull out the kids gloves you can go talk to your own yourselves. I got no problem with that. I'm not about to sit down at the table with somebody who thinks I'm disgusting, though, thank you.

Edit: You do realize that "cancellation" is literally "vote with your wallet" but with a (necessary, from my view) side dash of social stigmatism?
 


Steampunkette

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Pas besoin d'y aller en français mon ami. Let's keep this in english.
Cancellation is a weapon used by both far right and far left. They try to cancel each other but in so doing, they are not talking to each others. We need the discussion to go on. If all they have is trying to cancel someone as some are suggesting (there a lot of posts in this thread suggesting that) then these persons are no better than the ones they are trying to cancel. Our wallets will speak louder to these than 10000 pages worth of cancellation attemps. I know my wallet will stay silent unless they (those who claim non inclusivity is the way) change their mind and offer their excuses. Admitting when one erred is enough for me (if sincere...)
Ah. So it's Tone Policing. You don't -like- the way that people fight back, so it's something to disregard.

Cooooool.

Mr. Helldritch may I please tell people, aggressively, not to send me death threats or should I be more polite?
 


Rob Kuntz, Heldritch, Nefermandias...

Basically everyone who is tone-policing, Sea-Lioning, or wringing their hands about "Both Sides".
Please, leave me out of this. There are no "both sides". I'm quite sure the majority of posters here would agree that bigotry is wrong and disgusting behavior, I would never advocate for "the other side". Period.

I was just caught by surprise when I saw this subject being discussed so passionately in a gaming form, that's all.
The moderation has already made it plenty clear that people not interested in the discussion should just ignore the thread, and that's precisely what I'm doing from now on. Thank you.
 

Take it as a good thing that most people don't know who he is. If everyone knew who he was, then it would most likely be because his impact is larger than it is. It usually takes great evil for such a person to be universally known.
Strong disagreement here. Him not being better known is what allows him to fly under the radar like he does, living an idyllic life in the French countryside with his family and continuing to spread his poison on the low key.

His game was up for an ENnie three years ago until someone pointed out who he was and it was removed. You disinfect with sunlight, not by ignoring it.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Sorry if you’ve mentioned this later on and I haven’t gotten there yet, but which one is that? Im a big fan of 1e - it’s what I grew up on so the nostalgia factor is there not gonna lie. And I’d love to start a game online with some like-minded folks, but to be honest a lot of the toxicity on a number of these sites has really made me reluctant to dive in. I’d love to know of an OSR site or two that espouses a more inclusive dynamic but with a love for the quirkiness of old school AD&D.
Search for OSR RPG. It's the one with the rainbow background. Good folks in that group.
 


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