Converting prehistoric animals

[demiurge1138]

Looks reasonable. Are we going to stick to the listed 10 HD, or bump it to 15 to be competitive with the mammoth and mastodon? Personally, I'd be alright with leaving its HD lower.

 

[Shade]

As would I. It allows for some variance.

 

[freyar]

All sounds good to me. How's this looking?

 

[Shade]

Added to Homebrews.

I used the woolly mammoth's size and weight as placeholders.

We still need natural armor. Here are the other elephantlike creatures' modifiers:

Woolly Mammoth +10
Grizzly Mastodon +8
Mastodon +8
Elephant +7

I'm inclined to go with +8 to +9, since they were probably less shaggy and fatty than the cold-dwelling mammoths.

For feats, it gets 4:
Woolly Mammoth: Alertness, Endurance, Improved Bull Rush, Multiattack, Power Attack
Grizzly Mastodon: Alertness, Endurance, Bull Rush, Power Attack, Toughness (2)
Mastodon: Alertness, Endurance, Improved Natural Attack (gore), Improved Natural Attack (slam), Iron Will, Toughness
Elephant: Alertness, Endurance, Iron Will, Skill Focus (Listen)

 

[freyar]

Let's go with +8 natural armor.

Feats: Alertness, Endurance, Multiattack, Power Attack

 

[Shade]

Its odd that none of them have Awesome Blow or Improved Bull Rush, isn't it? AB is probably redundant with toss, but I could see IBR rather than Alertness. Thoughts?

 

[demiurge1138]

I say go with +8 natural armor and Imp. Bull Rush instead of Endurance. Alertness would be handy in thick forests, but resources are more common, meaning Endurance is less important.

 

[freyar]

Good call. I only picked Endurance 'cause all the other ones have it, but I like IBR better anyway.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

CR 8? (A woolly mammoth is CR 9, and since animals improve at the rate of 1 CR per 3 added HD, reversing would put it closer to CR-1 than CR-2)

Advancement: 11-20 HD (Huge); 21-28 HD (Gargantuan)?
Mammoths advance at 15-20 HD (Huge); 21-28 HD (Gargantuan), and I don't really see these advancing beyond the mammoth.

The current height and weight is that of a mammoth. I'd imagine these weigh less, due to needing less fat and fur in its more hospitable clime. Maybe 8 to 10 tons?

 

[freyar]

All sounds about right to me.