Converting Psionic Creatures

[Shade]

Alternatively, we could do a "Standard Narra" and a "Greater Narra" like 2E had a standard Shedu and a Greater Shedu.

That way we could give the Greater Narra the more potent abilities (including the 3/day heal that one version of the AD&D Narra had).

I'm not opposed to two versions, but don't absolutely feel it's needed. They could always take spellcasting classes like the lammasu. Which version had heal?

I do agree that we'll need a non-psionic underbar.

Hmm, I'd either cut Diplomacy to 5 and increase Listen and Spot by 2 apiece or give it a racial bonus in those sense skills.

That works. Diplomacy still ends up 1 point higher than those other two skills.

Updated.

 

[freyar]

For feats, maybe Iron Will and Empowering or perhaps Quickening an SLA/PLA or two?

 

[Cleon]

I'm not opposed to two versions, but don't absolutely feel it's needed. They could always take spellcasting classes like the lammasu. Which version had heal?

EDIT: Oh blast, I got it mixed up with the Opinicus, which has 3/day holy word (not heal) in Monster Manual II and City of Delights, but 1/day holy word in the Enworld 3rd edition conversion. :ENDEDIT

We're doing two good-aligned human-headed Magical Beasts at the same time, no wonder I got confused.

So consider that a "Greater and Regular Opinicus" question. I'd better mention it over on the Al-Q thread.

I do agree that we'll need a non-psionic underbar.

That works. Diplomacy still ends up 1 point higher than those other two skills.

Updated.

There we can agree!

 

[Cleon]

For feats, maybe Iron Will and Empowering or perhaps Quickening an SLA/PLA or two?

Sounds good.

The only PLAs it can empower are ego whip and mind thrust, and it can only quicken mind thrust or empty mind.

I think either empowered ego whip or quickened mind thrust.

Quickened mind thrust is certainly the nastier of those two options - 10d10 damage and it can attack normally as well!

 

[Shade]

Quickened mind thrust is certainly the nastier of those two options - 10d10 damage and it can attack normally as well!

In that case, I vote quickened mind thrust!

 

[Cleon]

In that case, I vote quickened mind thrust!

Let it be so then!

If your synapses can't take 10d10 damage you shouldn't have turned to evil.

 

[freyar]

Too true, brother, too true.

But it gets yet another feat! How about empowering ego whip also?

 

[Shade]

Sure! Updated.

Environment: x
Shedu is "any land and underground", while lammasu is "temperate deserts"

Challenge Rating: 8? They have 1 less HD than a lammasu, but have more potent SLAs.

Advancement: x
Lammasu: 8–10 HD (Large); 11–21 HD (Huge)
Shedu: 10-12 HD (Large); 13-24 HD (Huge)

Level Adjustment: +x
Lammasu is +5, Shedu has none listed
Using the Savage Species method, I come up with +6.

A narra is x feet long and weighs x pounds. (No size is given, but a typical lammasu is about 8 feet long and weighs about 500 pounds. A narra's body is based off a small bull, rather than a lion like the lammasu, so we might get an approximation there.)

Narra speak Common, Draconic, and Celestial, and can communicate telepathically? (These are the languages of the lammasu and shedu).

 

[RavinRay]

CR 8-9; the shedu is 10 so it's still lower.

Same languages for me.

 

[freyar]

7-9 HD (Large); 10-18 HD (Huge)?

LA +6 is ok, and so are the languages.

No time to work out the size/weight!