Diplomacy +23 at 3rd level??? Help, my player must be wrong!!!

[Pielorinho]

QUICK NOTE: This is a really old thread, and many posters may no longer be around who participated in it to begin with. I'm going to leave it open for now, but if it looks like this is causing confusion, I'm gonna close it without prejudice .

Daniel

 

[Corsair]

QUICK NOTE: This is a really old thread, and many posters may no longer be around who participated in it to begin with. I'm going to leave it open for now, but if it looks like this is causing confusion, I'm gonna close it without prejudice .

Daniel

Tangent: Why would it "cause confusion"? It's just a thread.

 

[moritheil]

Tangent: Why would it "cause confusion"? It's just a thread.

Looks like it's causing confusion already.

 

[boolean]

6 (ranks) + 9 (synergy) + 3 (skill focus) + 2 (negotiator) + 2 (racial) + 4 (charisma) + 4 (motivate charisma) = +30 without equipment

The synergy bonus should only be +6 (+2 per skill, x3 skills), for a total of +27.

There are other builds that can also get a similar result using non-core material.

E.g.

Half-Elf Cleric 3. Domains: Knowledge (to get Kn(Nobility & Royalty) as a class skill) and Trickery (ditto for Bluff)
Assuming a pre-cast Eagle's Splendor gives the following:
6 (ranks) + 4 (synergy) + 3 (skill focus) + 2 (negotiator) + 2 (racial) + 6 (charisma) = 23 total. Using Divine Insight gives an additional +9 once per day, for a total of +32.

Throw in a level of Marshall at fourth (and use your skill points to get 5 ranks in Sense Motive), and it becomes:
6 (ranks) + 6 (synergy) + 3 (skill focus) + 2 (negotiator) + 2 (racial) + 6 (charisma) + 6 (motivate charisma)= 31 total. Using Divine Insight gives an additional +9 once per day, for a total of +40. Enough to get people from hostile to indiferrent in a single round on a 1, or to friendly on a 5.

 

[Rystil Arden]

You guys and your buff spells / items I still maintain that the best build is Marshal1/Warlock1/Telepath1

6 from ranks, 9 from synergy (feat causes this), 3 from Skill Focus, 2 from Negotiator, 2 from Half-Elf, 6 from Beguiling Influence, 3 from Psicrystal, 4 from Charisma and another 4 from the aura. +39 at level 3 with no items or buff spells.

 

[Iku Rex]

The synergy bonus should only be +6 (+2 per skill, x3 skills), for a total of +27.

He's using the Complementary Insight feat from Races of Destiny.

The friendly face (Lv1, Brd/Sor/Wiz1, +5 Diplo/Gather Info) spell, the Sociable Personality feat (re-roll diplomacy checks) and half-elf bard racial substitution levels, all from the same book, are also nice to have for a diplomacy specialist.

 

[Particle_Man]

With help from the BoED, you can get higher... +29 on level 3 is possible.

What from BoED helps up the diplomacy score?

 

[Rystil Arden]

What from BoED helps up the diplomacy score?

Sacred Vow and the like, I suspect, or Nymph's Kiss, but honestly, those actually don't give more than +2, and the feats chosen in my build already give at least that much without forcing you to go exalted.

 

[Sithobi1]

The extra exalted feats from VoP help out there, methinks.

 

[Pielorinho]

Tangent: Why would it "cause confusion"? It's just a thread.

Sometimes folks respond to a post from two years ago not realizing that the original poster is no longer around, or sometimes folks don't remember what they argued two years ago and are surprised to see their words again. I dunno. Messageboards are funny beasts, and this sort of thing causes confusion enough that there's a name for it: thread necromancy.

Daniel