Excerpt: Minions. Go forth mine minions! Bring havoc with your 1 hp [merged]

[jeffhartsell]

A vampire spawn that is not a mook (has regen) is most likely not going to end up as a minion.

Anyway, I am all for the minion RULES! I've been loving the encounter design for 4e. Those orcs were amazing. And these devils are cool minions. Simply, yet effective.

 

[Andor]

Seems pretty decent. The higher level ones do slightly less damage than I expected.

It's interesting that it's always Level + 5 attack, Level + 16 AC, Level + 12 Fort, Level +11 Reflex/Will, but we still get different stat blocks for each.

It's also cool that we do get a full range of levels for them to be over. And I'm glad that the legion devil legionaires can stand next to a pit fiend without dying, at least conceptually

It's that formulaic? Why didn't they just give one example and list the mods with maybe a little chart to say when the fire resist goes up? It would save a lot of space, and not be an implied insult to the intelligence of DMs everywhere...

Interestingly however this specific minion example does not tell us if there is a minion template, since it implies that all Legion Devils are minions, thus making them the Cobra troopers from hell. So the Mammoth minion is still speculative.

 

[Xyl]

The legion devil stats make it really easy to interpolate a level-appropriate minion for whatever level you want. I like.

 

[Piratecat]

Merged. Keep it on topic, please!

 

[Rechan]

That's the reason why I'm iffy on that rule.

I'd rule that a daily power kills a minion, miss or no.

 

[Kaodi]

Rechan wins. Merging has been initiated.

 

[jeffhartsell]

I'd rule that a daily power kills a minion, miss or no.

That is a tough call. But fair. Maybe depends on the type of daily. A wiff with a fireball daily would be overkill to smoke all of the minions that were missed. But a single target daily that did damage on a miss makes sense.

 

[AllisterH]

I disagree on allowing a Daily to smoke a minion even on a miss.

Minions are one of the reasons (along with the bloodied threshold) I as a DM can use to ensure that players open with their at-wills and use those until they feel they need to use their big guns.

 

[Blackeagle]

I wonder what poor sap had to stay in the office and update the site on a sunday evening?

Yes, I'm sure that poor cron job is terribly overworked.

 

[Rechan]

That is a tough call. But fair. Maybe depends on the type of daily. A wiff with a fireball daily would be overkill to smoke all of the minions that were missed. But a single target daily that did damage on a miss makes sense.

Hmm.

It may depend on the situation. If a mage fires a fireball into a crowd, then I think it depends on how many he misses. If some non-minions get hit, the missed minions live. If he hits over half, then I say the misses stand up. If he just utterly borks the rolls though...

This is in the realm of 'fudging', to me. But single-hit dailies, aye.