Forsakers and Monks

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

Can a Forsaker use Supernatural abilities?

Also, I rember a chart showing an unarmed attack progression for Monks taking other class levels, but I can't find it anywhere. Where is it, and is it core material or extra?

Thanks!

 

[Crothian]

The monks unarmed progession was only for certain monk prestige classes that specifically stacked with it. OA has it I think.

 

[gtJormungand]

The chart is definitely in the Oriental Adventures book.

hm... I don't remember if Forsakers can use supernatural abilities... it would seem odd, though. Being on spring break, I can't look it up right now.

 

[0-hr]

I think Sean K. also posted an essay about his house rule that allows monks to multiclass and continue their progression. It's on his site along with his other myriad ramblings.

 

[shilsen]

Can a Forsaker use Supernatural abilities?

The forsaker description only says that he must "renounce the use of any spellcasting and spell-like abilities". Supernatural abilities are never specifically mentioned. So it seems like they can use them, but that, IMO, goes against the flavor of the PrC.

 

[Zhure]

OA, page 33-34
"Character who have levels of only monk classes always get more unarmed attacks than they would noramlly get based on their base attack bonus (additionaly attacks at intervals of -3, instead of -5). Characters who have levels in other classes as well may or may not gain an advantage from this, and any advantage is often slight.

"Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks
Base Attack Bonus Additional Unarmed Attacks
+0 .... ---
+1 .... ---
+2 .... ---
+3 .... ---
+4 .... +1
+5 .... +2
+6 .... +3
+7 .... +4/+1
+8 .... +5/+2
+9 .... +6/+3
+10 ... +7/+4/+1
+11 ... +8/+5/+2
+12 ... +9/+6/+3
+13 ... +10/+7/+4/+1
+14 ... +11/+8/+5/+2
+15 ... +12/+9/+6/+3

"Example: Asako Turima is a 10th-level monk/4th-level henshin mystic. His base attack bonus is +10 (+7 from his monk levels, +3 from his henshin mystic levels). Normally, this would give him an additional attack at +5. He can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for his +10 attack bonus (since the entire bonus is derived from monk and mystic levels) on Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks, +7/+4/+1. Thus, he can make four attacks in a round with an unarmed strike (or a monk weaopn), at +10, +7, +4 and +1. When using another weapon, he can make two attacks at +10 and +5. He has the unarmed damage, AC bonus and speed of a 14th-level monk.

"Togashi Tidaiko, however, is a 3rd-level samurai/5th-level monk/ 7th-level tattooed monk. Her base attack bonus is +11 (+3 from her samurai levels, +3 from her monk levels, and +5 from her tattooed monk levels). Normally she would have two additional attacks at +6 and +1. She can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for a +8 base attack bonus from her monk and tattooed monk levels on Table 3-1, +5 and +2. She makes three attacks in a round, whether armed or unarmed. If unarmed (or using a monk weapon), she can choose whether to strike at +11/+6/+1 or at +11/+5/+2. Armed with an ordinary weapon, she must attack at +11/+6/+1. She has the unarmed damage, AC bonus, and abase speed of a 12-th level monk."

 

[Felix]

Yeah, Forsakers can still use their Supernatural abilities; which is a good thing too. If you're thinking about playing one, see if you can't wrangle the DM to give you a (Su) ability at first level that allows you to tell if an item is magical by touching it. Otherwise, how would he know what to break?

 

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

Re: Re: Forsakers and Monks

The forsaker description only says that he must "renounce the use of any spellcasting and spell-like abilities". Supernatural abilities are never specifically mentioned. So it seems like they can use them, but that, IMO, goes against the flavor of the PrC.

That's kind of what I was thinking, but I thought I'd as. A Forsaker Monk is looking preety sweet. Does anyone know of an an official FaQ. I checked the Eratta, but didn't see anything.

 

[hong]

Re: Re: Forsakers and Monks

The forsaker description only says that he must "renounce the use of any spellcasting and spell-like abilities". Supernatural abilities are never specifically mentioned. So it seems like they can use them, but that, IMO, goes against the flavor of the PrC.

I say that a forsaker routinely adventuring with your usual PCs who have magic dripping out their ears has already shredded the flavour of the PrC anyway, so a little bit more can't hurt.

 

[shilsen]

I say that a forsaker routinely adventuring with your usual PCs who have magic dripping out their ears has already shredded the flavour of the PrC anyway, so a little bit more can't hurt.