For the benefit of all the ladies present, by all means explain why.
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Harassment in gaming
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random.brown
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Why do you think women need a simple concept explained? Do you consider women unintelligent, or too limited to understand basic legal concepts? You think the ladies present don't know what a dictionary is?
There is no epidemic, no conspiracy, no systemic, continued unwanted actions towards women who may wish to game that would make them so fearful that they couldn't simply avoid those that make them uncomfortable and find another place/way to enjoy their hobby.
Gradine
The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
Just so we can move on from this pointless diversion:
http://www.laharassmentfirm.com/sexual-harassment/leering-gestures-staring/
http://www.laharassmentfirm.com/sexual-harassment/leering-gestures-staring/
random.brown
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Ahhh, so when you play rpgs AT WORK and your co-workers leer and stare at you, wolf-whistle, or undress you with their eyes, you have a legitimate claim for a sexual harassment tort.
In California.
Well thank goodness people can choose to game wherever they want, and build gaming groups of their own, or shop at other stores!
Weisswurst Fest.
Actually, "leering" is one action that has been defined as harassment in the UCMJ, many state codes, many major corporate codes of conduct, and has been cited- and upheld- as an element in creating a hostile work environment in several EEOC lawsuits- that's Federal law, applicable to all 50 states and US territories.
Furthermore, under many such codes, the person making the claim need not be the target of the action to proceed and even win at trial- mere witnessing or awareness of the conduct is sufficient.
So, yes, leering can get you disciplined for sexual harassment across the USA.
In addition, actions deemed heinous or persistent enough AWAY from the workplace may be considered in hostile workplace cases. They may also get you sued for intentional infliction of emotional distress, or even run you afoul of criminal stalking laws.
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I think every single woman reading the thread is absolutely capable of determining when she is being harassed, and none of them need a dictionary or a refresher on law do it.
This is because in social situations it's not a matter of law that determines if what a woman is feeling is true or not.
So I say again, for the benefit of all the women who are participating or otherwise following along, please explain why.
That's a good example of male privilege.
It sounds like you are saying that harassment is so rare, that if a woman experiences it (we should really be using the word "female", since underage gamers experience harassment just like adults do), it's simply a matter of moving on, because the odds are everything will be better at the next joint down the road?
You ought to read the thread from the start. The world you inhabit, with regard to the experiences of female gamers, is an imaginary one.
Nylanfs
Adventurer
A) NOT a court of law and B) Deal with it
There is noticing somebody who looks good and leering which is unwanted attention which is harassment.
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random.brown
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Men and women have equal rights in all western societies. Only a sexist would think that a woman at a game store on the receiving end of a cat-call would be helpless to do anything about it without the intervention of some other authority.
Did your time machine just drop you here from 1894 London? Why do you hate women?
random.brown
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That's exactly the advice I'm giving to your hypothetical wilting flower in the Victorian London game store. We agree completely.
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