Tony Vargas
Legend
You may even take to calling flaws 'quirks.' Seriously, though, I'm in complete agreement. 4e fixed a lot of stuff, and that made it feel unfamiliar.I think this gets to the heart of why 4e didn't feel like D&D to me.
When you get involved with something for a long time, you get used to its quirks. Hell, sometimes you don't even notice they are quirks.
Sometimes folks cross the line from "doesn't feel like D&D to me" to "not really D&D," or even "an MMO"/"tactical board game"/"not an RPG." But when expressed without the hyperbole, it's an understandable sentiment.
There's not really anything that could have been done about it: you can't make a game better while 'maintaining the feel,' when the feel is defined by the very flaws you're trying to fix. The best you can do is clean it up and re-print it, and they played that card in '89.
You can see 5e trying to avoid the 'mistake' of improving - and thus changing too much - anything from prior editions - it just adds a few things here or there.
I've played 13A three times, each time with a different class, and I'm just finding none of the core classes appeal to me. 13 True Ways sounds like it has some real possibilities, though.I just finished reading all 83 pages of this GD thread (which in itself may be sign of sickness). It really makes my head spin to see how hard people will work to disprove each others experiences and opinions.
I think both sides in the war should meet in the middle hug it out and just play 13th Age!
It's easy to think you might be saving some lurkers.What if the goal is not to convince the person I'm arguing with, but those outside the argument who might read it?
The other thing that keeps me replying to a lot of this stuff is false and misleading statements in support of opinions. I don't expect to change the opinion, but I'd like to correct the misapprehension.
If someone says they won't eat kale because they're allergic, fine. If someone says they won't it eat it because it's become too trendy, fine. If they say no one should eat kale because it contains lethal levels of cyanide, I might want to speak up in the vegetable's defense - and not just because I liked it sauteed with linguica & tomatoes long before it was trendy.
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