RigaMortus
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Egres said:Is considered......
Nuff' said.
Is ALWAYS considered...
Egres said:Is considered......
Nuff' said.
Right.RigaMortus said:Is ALWAYS considered...
Absolutely no.Patryn of Elvenshae said:Egres: See LD's latest. I think he's got you.
And yet, the heading is "Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed Melee Weapons."
Not, "Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed Weapons."
Ergo, everything it talks about is in reference to melee weapons.
Egres said:Show me where that quote states that Unarmed Strikes are melee weapons.
I think you can't do it.
SRD said:WEAPONS
WEAPON CATEGORIES
Weapons are grouped into several interlocking sets of categories.
These categories pertain to what training is needed to become proficient in a weapon’s use (simple, martial, or exotic), the weapon’s usefulness either in close combat (melee) or at a distance (ranged, which includes both thrown and projectile weapons), its relative encumbrance (light, one-handed, or two-handed), and its size (Small, Medium, or Large).
Simple, Martial, and Exotic Weapons: Anybody but a druid, monk, rogue, or wizard is proficient with all simple weapons. Barbarians, fighters, paladins, and rangers are proficient with all simple and all martial weapons. Characters of other classes are proficient with an assortment of mainly simple weapons and possibly also some martial or even exotic weapons. A character who uses a weapon with which he or she is not proficient takes a –4 penalty on attack rolls.
Melee and Ranged Weapons: Melee weapons are used for making melee attacks, though some of them can be thrown as well. Ranged weapons are thrown weapons or projectile weapons that are not effective in melee.
[Snip Reach vs. Thrown vs. etc. discussion]
Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed Melee Weapons: This designation is a measure of how much effort it takes to wield a weapon in combat. It indicates whether a melee weapon, when wielded by a character of the weapon’s size category, is considered a light weapon, a one-handed weapon, or a two-handed weapon.
Weapon Size: Every weapon has a size category. This designation indicates the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed.
Patryn of Elvenshae said:I think I can. Ready for it?
To summarize, all weapons are divided into categories.
They are difficulty categories, usage category, encumbrance category, and size category.
Note, specifically, the section on Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed Melee Weapons. It indicates that only melee weapons possess this distinction. Thus, if something is considered a light weapon, it is neccessarily a melee weapon.* There's no such thing as a light ranged weapon.
* - Just like if something is a Compulsion effect, it is an Enchantment effect. You cannot have be part of a subset without being part of the superset. Though all fruits are not apples, all apples are by definition fruits.
Sorry, I didn't notice that your question was directed to me.Plane Sailing said:Egres, you still haven't answered my question (perhaps it wasn't clear that I was directing it to you).
What do you consider a "manufactured weapon" to be in the context of my original PHB quote in the first post of this thread?
Yes, of course.Plane Sailing said:a) is it reasonable to include psionic powers within "spells and effects"
If the power requires a natural weapon or a manufactured one as a target yes, you can use it to improve or enhance your unarmed strikes.Plane Sailing said:b) if so, what about powers like claw of energy (requires natural weapon or claw attack), vampiric blade, metaphysical weapon... would they work on a monks unarmed attacks?
Egres said:Unarmed Strikes are simple weapons, and are considered light weapons.
Deal with it.
Yes, there's one.Patryn of Elvenshae said:And if they are considered light weapons, then they must also be considered melee weapons. There is no such thing as light weapon which is not a melee weapon.
Ok, ok.Patryn of Elvenshae said:Alright. Now you're being a buttmunch. Stop it, and play nice.
Egres said:Deal with it.
Egres said:Sorry, I didn't notice that your question was directed to me.
Manufactured weapon?
A weapon that isn't a natural weapon, or an unarmed strike.
Egres said:Yes, there's one.
Unarmed Strike.
(Buttmunch? )